Where do we sit?

All-Star Posts : 838 Join date : 2010-01-31

the big cal posted
(It's time for McGeezer to repay the investment at this stage.)
WTF............repay what exactly.......??????????

Senior Posts : 122 Join date : 2010-07-27

the big cal, ive seen some stupid things on this but that is one of the most idiotic statements ive seen. what does he owe anyone, he brought us from mediocrity to the heights of challenging in august over the past 5 years. yes we havent beaten a top top team which is frustrating but once the players step across that line its generally them who win and lose games. managers make mistakes too but players win games, end of.

Intercounty Posts : 359 Join date : 2010-06-22

The big cal is obviously not a kildare gaa supporter. I believe as a forum for kildare gaa supporters he does not meet the criteria. Admin? After all its what sets this site apart from the others.

Subject: Re: Where do we sit? Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:10 pm

kickingking wrote:: We sit in the last 12 of the championship. No more, no less. There's a tendency to read far too much into games these days and the whole thing is totally over analysed. Kerry were close to being dumped out by Westmeath last weekend, the consensus afterwards was that Kerry were finished. Fast forward six days and suddenly Kerry are back and are All Ireland favourites. Wexford could have beaten Dublin and then crashed out to Tipperary. Meath drew with Carlow and then beat Kildare.

Sure we were poor yesterday but we're still standing and that's what matters. One game at a time and who knows where we could end up. I don't think there is an All Ireland in this current team but it will take a huge effort to beat them as last night showed.

We now sit in the last 8. No more, no less. Wink

Intermediate Posts : 90 Join date : 2010-11-15

Probably a wrong turn of phrase....what I really mean to say its time that we are brought to the next level....in 5 years we have won nothing (yet). We have not gone to the next level. We are on the second strata of teams and have to step up.....no disrespect to Offaly, Cavan, Limerick or Sligo, these are teams that should be beaten any day.

When we meet Cork, Tyrone, Down and Donegal over the last few years we were found out.

I live in hope.

Subject: Re: Where do we sit? Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:43 pm

the big cal - are you in some way related to an arrogant condesending little twit from Derry?

Intermediate Posts : 90 Join date : 2010-11-15

No way related to Mr Brolly, please see the thread I started called, "Joseph Brolly, Q.C."

Perhaps I am a pessimist by nature or a realist, what's the real difference??

Intercounty Posts : 361 Join date : 2010-06-29

the big cal wrote:: Probably a wrong turn of phrase....what I really mean to say its time that we are brought to the next level....in 5 years we have won nothing (yet). We have not gone to the next level. We are on the second strata of teams and have to step up.....no disrespect to Offaly, Cavan, Limerick or Sligo, these are teams that should be beaten any day.

When we meet Cork, Tyrone, Down and Donegal over the last few years we were found out.

I live in hope.

Versus Down and Donegal we were more done out than found out. We beat Tyrone well in league final since. We'll sort out Cork on Sunday.

Subject: Re: Where do we sit? Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:21 am

The power rankings have us 6th at the minute. Its about right.

http://experiencemore.ie/experience-speaks/2012/07/31/power-rankings-week-twelve

Intermediate Posts : 90 Join date : 2010-11-15

Saying we are sixth in the rankings is being kind to us.

That performance today was the worst, disjointed abject display from a kildare team in a very long time. We were not in that contest except for the last period of the first half. Cork had a good plan b, we had no plan a.

Lots of soul searching now.

Junior A Posts : 26 Join date : 2012-08-06

McGeeney must go (whether he walks or is axed is irrelevant) he has taken this group as far as he can (and maybe as far as anyone can)..he has highlighted himself this year as being sub-par on the sideline (and also in dealing with off-field matters)...Jason Ryan may be a good replacement!

All-Star Posts : 2251 Join date : 2010-02-09

I don't see the Jason Ryan argument at all. Wexford went out of to Limerick and Tipperary in the last two years. I do agree Geezer has taken this bunch as far as he can and should either go or give him 3 years to build a new team. Some strange decisions today though-
- playing a rookie Eoin Doyle against an attack of Cork's calibre
- selection of Rob Kelly ahead of Flynn. If Flynn could play 50 mins he was surely fit to start
- taking off Foley ( unless injured?)
- taking off Tomas who was playing well
- putting on Dowling rather than Fogarty against such a physical side
- not addressing the weaknesses through the centre of defence, not helped by Chalkie being left off the subs
But these are quibbles and in general I would be a big fan of what McGeeney has done with this team. He just didn't have players of enough class to go any further.
On balance I would expect him to walk.

Junior C Posts : 16 Join date : 2012-07-22

Are you saying that Eoin Doyle should have been dropped for this match Crofter ? If so thats one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum because Doyle was one of Kildare's best players in the qualifers by all accounts and it would have been a very poor decision in hindsight for McGeeney to drop Doyle for MacLaochlian or whoever .
Taking off Foley was bizarre and bringing on Dowling ahead of Fogarty who got very little game time in the championship which was unfair considering how well he did in the league final .
Think McGeeney should be allowed another crack at the whip , if he isn't allowed another go then who do Kildare go for ???? Jason Ryan ? Cribben ? Murphy ? like there wouldn't be too many options and little or no better options , McGeeney had a poor year this year on the line but I think he should be allowed another chance , I really hope the knee jerk reactions are kept at the minimum

Junior A Posts : 26 Join date : 2012-08-06

Crofter, the Jason Ryan argument cannot be based solely on the results that Wexford have had..if you are basing it on that alone, you are saying that Kildare have exactly the same resources as Wexford available to them...McGeeney will not build a 'new' team because he is blindly loyal to certain players and a failing system!

All-Star Posts : 2251 Join date : 2010-02-09

Stekhli, yes I would have left E Doyle on the bench. I'd have had a half back line of Morgan- Foley- Bolton with Flynn and O'Neill (given Lynch's apparent lack of fitness) in midfield. Doyle has shown some promise in patches in the qualifiers but I thought he looked out of his depth today. Hopefully he's one for the future but I don't think it's "ridiculous" to hold back an inexperienced lad from playing probably the best team in the country.

Kildare08 re the Jason Ryan love- in, Wexford have been dreadfully inconsistent for the last 5 years, getting relegated to Div 3 after reaching the Leinster final. I don't think the resources between the two counties are that incomparable either. He didn't instill any killer instinct in them and they left behind a great chance to beat Dublin this year. I don't see him as a step up from Geezer at all.

Junior A Posts : 24 Join date : 2011-05-09

kildare08 wrote:: Crofter, the Jason Ryan argument cannot be based solely on the results that Wexford have had..if you are basing it on that alone, you are saying that Kildare have exactly the same resources as Wexford available to them...McGeeney will not build a 'new' team because he is blindly loyal to certain players and a failing system!

Here, here I 100% agree with this statement. There should be more U21s and minors coming through but these grades have been butchered over the last couple of years, especially the U21 panel where we all know there was some serious talent. We haven't won a 21s championship game in years. Geezer has done a great job and set a really professional standard but personally I think he should go now and somebody else should come in with a fresh approach. The players will get bored or sick of being nearly men and we become uncompetitive again which is the last thing we want.

Glen Ryan would be my choice, a man who knows Kildare club football inside out and bring a fresh approach to things and carry on the professionalism of the setup.

Junior A Posts : 26 Join date : 2012-08-06

Crofter, not sure how u can call the Jason Ryan mention a 'love-in' considering i said that he 'may be a good replacement'...and i never said that he would be a step up from Geezer, but there are not a long list of top class, proven managers (including Geezer) out there at the moment!

Junior A Posts : 26 Join date : 2012-08-06

not sure about Glenn Ryan either...kildare dont have a great record with their own managing them...and while he may know kildare football inside out, i'd fear he might bring maybe Rainbow back in as a selector and i think that would be a disaster!

All-Star Posts : 2251 Join date : 2010-02-09

kildare08 wrote:: Crofter, not sure how u can call the Jason Ryan mention a 'love-in' considering i said that he 'may be a good replacement'...and i never said that he would be a step up from Geezer, but there are not a long list of top class, proven managers (including Geezer) out there at the moment!

Fair enough Kildare08. I was reacting not just to your suggestion but to some other calls for Jason Ryan on this and other sites.

Junior A Posts : 26 Join date : 2012-08-06

no bother..his name has been thrown about but only cos he's probably the most decent manager recently vacating his position..as i said, there is a serious lack of proven managers available at the moment..i include the Banty in that 'unproven' category too..i've heard his name mentioned too !

Senior Posts : 213 Join date : 2012-02-13

kildare08 wrote:: no bother..his name has been thrown about but only cos he's probably the most decent manager recently vacating his position..as i said, there is a serious lack of proven managers available at the moment..i include the Banty in that 'unproven' category too..i've heard his name mentioned too !

Banty's name has been mentioned by a few clowns from meath on hoganstand. Hardly a credible candidate.

McGeeney has brought us from a very low level to a point where we were very competitive. He's shown huge loyalty to this group of players but I'm sure after this year he realizes the changes that have to be made. I'd like to see him get a few more years to build them back.

Junior A Posts : 26 Join date : 2012-08-06

not sure why you would be sure that 'after' this year he realises these changes need to be made when he couldnt see 'during' the year that they were neccessary when they obviously were..look, i think/agree that Geezer has brought a high level of professionalism to the approach that the players take to their football but that alone is not enough, and it seems that after each year they fall short, his answer is to train harder,longer, more often, earlier in the morning.....ridiculous!!! if he had left last year he would be remembered as a man who brought the county a long way in four years...after this year, he has tarnished that reputation...all that's proven now is that if you train hard and commit to it, that you can become bigger,stronger and faster, but if you dont play to the strengths of your players, this counts for little!

Subject: Re: Where do we sit? Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:49 am

Agree with you 100% KFSAM,

Junior A Posts : 26 Join date : 2012-08-06

KF SAM, while McGeeney has done some good work, i do think that he has 'lost' the dressing room this year..i think the SJ thing was very badly handled and that it sent out a very negative msg to the fringe players...and it was a sure desperation sign from a manager who knew he had to win some silverware this year in order to keep his (false) reputation intact! it was a pure personal glory hunt on his behalf and had a very poor effect on team morale!!

Subject: Re: Where do we sit? Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:33 am

Kildare 08, the only impressive part of your piece of drivel is the timing. after a really bad day your last sentence just pisses me off