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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:23 am

I also think it will push the game towards a counter attacking philosophy even more. The only positive I can see is that teams will need to leave a couple of players up field as they won't have a way out once they turn over ball. Three hand passes won't get you far when a press is on. It'll be fascinating who devises a plan that copes best. One team will come up with something to get a jump on the pack.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:57 am

Can these "NEW" rules be used in National League before being passed at Congress?

I am pretty sure they can only be used for Championship if passed. Suspect the odds on all getting the nod would be pretty long. Which have the best chance and which are likely losers ?

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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:21 am

Yeah i understand they all have to go before congress after the league. Sin bin and mark have a good chance, the kick out is practically the same so hardly worth changing. The side line and 3 hand passes are the least likely to pass imo
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:23 am

I'm not one for knee-jerk dismissal of rule changes, but...

There are a (very) limited number of refs capable of properly officiating as it stands. This is just loading more duties onto refs who can't deal with the rules as they are, nevermind with new elements in the mix.

Meanwhile, no one is addressing the blue-clad elephant in the corner of the room: that Dublin will win about 18 of the next 20 All Irelands.

Distinct whiff of fiddling while Rome burns.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:56 am

The three handpass rule I don't really get – it's not that hard to tap a foot pass to a guy.

Also, worrying article by Malachy Clerkin in IT today - says one coach from trial games is of the opinion that, thanks to the forward sideline rule, it won't be long before teams are kicking for touch in the corner and trying to pin in corner back for a turnover!!

Seriously, you could imagine a Jim McGuinness for example trying that.

Think league next year going to be needlessly messy. There was a drift away from ultra-defensive set-ups anyway. Jesus even Tyrone – the most defensive team in the game – went with an orthodox 15 in this year's final.

The GAA certainly likes to complicate life wherever it can.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:15 am

It seems the offensive mark was tinkered with as well, rather than a catch inside the 20 line it's now extended to a clean catch inside the 45 once the ball travels 20 mtrs.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:44 pm

Not sure about the rule changes at all, but do think all frees and sidelines should be a forward movement rather than a defensive sickens me to see lads turning around kicking frees backward....
actually can picture the kick for touch.... interesting....
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:02 pm

It’s hilarious can already see the controversies piling up - ref allows match-winning score after four passes, teams arguing whether the ball actually travelled 20 metres or a sideline went forward etc.

League next year should be a right dog’s dinner!
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:13 pm

Time to hunt out a 7 foot full forward.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:25 am

we had one one time Dan Donnelly he could not get a game the lad up in the hollow
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:53 am

Are these changes for inter county games only
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:28 am

Gaa1928 wrote:
Are these changes for inter county games only

Think so until approved after NFL.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:40 am

I think the hand pass rule should only be inside the team in possessions own half or maybe up to the opposition 45, some of the best goals in particular scored have been through an excellent hand passing move to open up the defence.

The sin bin might work at inter county level where there is a 4th official in place to monitor it, at club level it would be a farce for league games, whatever about championship. Who is supposed to monitor the 10 minutes, I believe it is going to be 10 minutes of time, not 10 minutes of playing time so the incentive to feign injuries, take ages over kick outs and frees is massive or worst case scenario start a row!

The kickout will unlikely do what it is designed to do which I would imagine is bring about more high fielding as the areas between the 2 45s will be so crowded now as there is no reason for a full forward line at all.

The offensive mark from anywhere inside the 45m line is a good idea to stop the swarm around players who make a fetch in that area but will slow the game down as players line up frees.

The sideline not being able to go backwards has merit but again it will lead to team funneling behind the ball and crowding the area where the ball could potentially be kicked to.

the first few round of the league will see every manager and player complain about these rules, hard to know how many will pass congress, the sin bin maybe but the other 4 are long shots in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:08 am

Vital that Kildare get to grips with the new rules quickly or promotion could slip away very easily. Could be in for another year of discontent if that happens.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:57 am

murof wrote:
Vital that Kildare get to grips with the new rules quickly or promotion could slip away very easily. Could be in for another year of discontent if that happens.
frist game against Armagh is vital . Donegal is last game . Donegal should go up with Kildare Armagh and Meath eying up other spot.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:36 am

Sure we are not allowed to train until the day of the 1st O'Byrne Cup Game!!!!!
That may pose problems for players and actually ref's
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:11 am

Think our game is moved to the 20th. They are allowed back the 8th.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:20 am

Scratch that I think we have a game on the 12th of Dec
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:54 am

ahhh sure sound 4 days to get ready for a whole new set of rules..........
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:35 am

Kildare v Carlow 15 December Newbridge
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:19 pm

I see the new/experimental rules are to be reviewed on the 19th January with the possibility of them being scrapped or tweaked so if you are Cian O Neill or any management team for that matter, would you invest much time in coaching the players to play under these new rules or more time canvassing your central council delegate to get them scrapped before they see the light of day?
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:53 pm

I really think the Gaa go overboard with rule changes in Football. The kickout is fine as it is once the ball goes by the 21 yard line is fine leave it up to teams if they want to push us. The mark inside i would be against this big time I played as a forward and there is nothing better in winning the ball high low etc turning kicking a score or laying it off that is a skill of the game that would be lost. The sideline is grand as it is what difference does it really make if its backwards stupid. The hand pass is a sticky one for me I think if it is 3 passes then kick that it is really putting a lot more pressure on the refs but I would probably leave it as it is. The sin bin I would be in favour with I think it would cut out a lot of the cincial fouling.
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:27 pm

The more I think about this, the more pissed off I'm getting. We have the most exciting Kildare squad of my lifetime going for Div 1 promotion and now we have this whole new layer of BS to contend with.

It's all just an over-reaction to kneejerk media commentary. Despite regularly offering dismal analysis, Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane have to be the two most influential figures on GAA rules!!

Think it through... Who's been the most defensive team in the game for the last few years? Unquestionable Tyrone. We had a cracking game against them in the league last year.

Who's the next most defensive team at the top level? Probably Monaghan. We had two exciting games with them last year and their Super 8 encounter with Kerry was arguably the match of the championship.

Yes, when defensive Ulster teams meet it's sometimes dour, but guess what - crowds don't care. If ever there was a match that would turn off everyone, it was Donegal-Tyrone in the Ulster final a couple of years ago. It was a complete sell-out and you couldn't get in for love nor money. That is a fact.

And while it certainly wasn't open, free-flowing fare, it was a gripping encounter and it took a couple of the greatest points you'll ever see from Sean Cavanagh and Peter Harte to win it.

Clashes of styles make for great games and for all the defensive stuff around, ourselves, Dublin, Kerry and Mayo all play an attacking style. I'm sick of these bloody random rule changes brought about by Sunday Lame rants and the first thing that comes into Colm Parkinson's head - we have a fine game, by far the most popular in the country, let's stop messing with it!
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:44 am

Its a joke too many rules and not fair on players or referee's alike......... there will be mistakes....... hurling is taking over big style in terms of interest levels and attendances at games and this is only going to make the football worse.....
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PostSubject: Re: 2019 issues   Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:15 am

Definitely people more excited by hurling and with all this shite going on in football can you blame them...
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