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Kildare98 All-Star
Posts : 3160 Join date : 2013-01-12
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:24 am | |
| Monaghan tackling excellent – similar to what Mayo have done before against the Dubs. Tight, aggressive, physically powerful, but also disciplined – using the body to halt the attacker, then getting a hand in on the ball. That takes concentration, discipline & skill – these are the things that separate Div 1 teams from also rans.
Monaghan are also experts at getting the half-forwards and midfielders back to protect the D. We are still so open – O'Connor has made no improvements in that regard.
You have to ask, have these last two results hurt him as much as they would with Kerry... I would be having sleepless nights. As Tommy's saying, is he actually committed to fixing this or is he just taking a handy gig in retirement.
Roscommon under Cunningham always have a hard edge, and even missing players, they have some quality attackers. Serious work needed over next two weeks, O'Connor better have his shit together & players need to focus. | |
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Gaa1928 All-Star
Posts : 1675 Join date : 2013-07-22
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:37 am | |
| - Newbridgeornowhere wrote:
- Taibi wrote:
- Any interview from JOC? He did one before the game on Eirsport but nothing after. KFM get one? Dying to know what he said.
We couldn't keep CON away from a microphone now it's the opposite. jack opposite not media friendly especially TOC there Just listening to JOC on KFM, can't believe that he couldn't answer if, after winning the toss, Kildare decided to play against the wind and rain. Even at club level you decide which way you team is going to play if you win the toss let alone when conditions are so difficult. My point is not which way they decided to play is that JOC didn't appear to know who made the decision. | |
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Rex All-Star
Posts : 3056 Join date : 2010-01-31
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:48 am | |
| - Gaa1928 wrote:
- Newbridgeornowhere wrote:
- Taibi wrote:
- Any interview from JOC? He did one before the game on Eirsport but nothing after. KFM get one? Dying to know what he said.
We couldn't keep CON away from a microphone now it's the opposite. jack opposite not media friendly especially TOC there
Just listening to JOC on KFM, can't believe that he couldn't answer if, after winning the toss, Kildare decided to play against the wind and rain. Even at club level you decide which way you team is going to play if you win the toss let alone when conditions are so difficult. My point is not which way they decided to play is that JOC didn't appear to know who made the decision. I haven't heard the interview but that would worry me. If it is true he doesn't know who made that decision then it shows a lack of planning and responsibility. On the other hand if he has made that decision and is now trying to distance himself from it by pushing it on the players that is worse. Like I said I haven't heard it and would hope it is on the KFM sports podcast. Either way it is a poor view from outside looking in. | |
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Kildare98 All-Star
Posts : 3160 Join date : 2013-01-12
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:57 am | |
| JOC has been poor thus far, getting team selections and tactics wrong, and if it continues in this vein his reputation is going to take a serious battering.
Niall Carew said we couldn't ask for a better management team, but all I've seen in last couple of games is continuation of last year's one-dimensional, dismal shite. | |
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moatesports All-Star
Posts : 583 Join date : 2012-08-23
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:18 am | |
| kildare badly need conway back surely eoin doyle as well , a good bit of power missing there feely with say conway and moolick as a target man might suit better with hyland and robinson under breaking ball a part of the game kildare do not do at all rossie game now biggest game so far as it could make or break season | |
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Curraghplains All-Star
Posts : 730 Join date : 2018-08-22
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:53 am | |
| Conway won’t back for rest of League
To many older players gone past their prime | |
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OutTheGap All-Star
Posts : 874 Join date : 2011-06-28
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:47 am | |
| - Newbridgeornowhere wrote:
- To many older players gone past their prime
I think Keith Cribbin and Peter Kelly are the only players who played on Saturday that are around the 30 mark. Are we saying the players on the 2013 Under 21 team are past their prime? They might not be playing that well but I think it's too early to say they are past their best. | |
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Liffey Likes Senior
Posts : 295 Join date : 2017-07-16
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:31 am | |
| Excellent points made above about work rate and tackling. In my opinion the best place to start to turn around this poor form to is to exactly replicate Armagh's work rate and tackling, their forwards in particular looked like absolute savage hounds, and I say their forwards because the tackling was so good Kildare couldn't get out of their own half so we never really tested their backs. As fast as Kildare tried to move the ball the Armagh tacklers never allowed them a second on the ball. Also I wait for the day that Kildare are the aggressors rather than punchbag. | |
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Badger85 All-Star
Posts : 726 Join date : 2019-03-25
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:35 am | |
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White Bridge Intercounty
Posts : 479 Join date : 2010-07-09 Location : JTB
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:28 pm | |
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moatesports All-Star
Posts : 583 Join date : 2012-08-23
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:14 am | |
| its not that long ago kildare were a big team looking at them now they built like a minor squad no power , players all runners it seems to me ,the second a hit comes in we seem to spill the ball, cant break tackles , and the main thing is a serious lack of pace with the odd exception ah but its not all gloom and doom | |
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Rex All-Star
Posts : 3056 Join date : 2010-01-31
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:51 am | |
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LillieLad All-Star
Posts : 877 Join date : 2013-09-24
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:44 am | |
| She's doing a great job with Armagh!! Lads I feel like im giving up on this team, I don't know why but I haven't been this frustrated in a long while, we can't tackle, we have no heart, no leaders and no tactics and then we have Jack O'Connor who has all Ireland's coming out of his ass and it's still not good enough!! What I would give to have that McGeeney team we had so many leaders and big fuckers like McCloughlin, Foley, McGrillen, Bolton, Flats, Dermot, Daryl, Roli then we had the flair of Jimmers, JD and Smith... | |
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micky murphy All-Star
Posts : 634 Join date : 2011-09-12
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:51 am | |
| LillieLad you right and must add the lads you name when they played with their clubs lads hated marking or playing against them I would say that most club players in Kildare would have no fear playing against most of the current Kildare team I wonder | |
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KILL BILL All-Star
Posts : 1102 Join date : 2010-07-06 Location : El Paso
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:57 am | |
| Yes indeed, I can't remember when I felt more despairing, I really thought this would be the start of something big, but as they say it's the hope that kills you. | |
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Cassanata Senior
Posts : 132 Join date : 2011-08-02
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:24 pm | |
| The players give up so much. God knows how many tough training sessions, giving up social life, family time, college / career, traveling etc. The list goes on.
The thing I don't get is giving all of the above how can you try so hard for so long, put in the tough work but then when the cross the white line completely capitulate at the slightest sign of adversity. An Armagh supporter probably summed it up in one word when he called Kildare players snowflakes. Hard to argue. | |
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Flamingo All-Star
Posts : 1073 Join date : 2011-01-24
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:52 pm | |
| - Cassanata wrote:
- The players give up so much. God knows how many tough training sessions, giving up social life, family time, college / career, traveling etc. The list goes on.
The thing I don't get is giving all of the above how can you try so hard for so long, put in the tough work but then when the cross the white line completely capitulate at the slightest sign of adversity. An Armagh supporter probably summed it up in one word when he called Kildare players snowflakes. Hard to argue. This is it! Like we can sup pints and talk shite all we want but they do put so much into preparation and they obviously train hard all year, but then they just don't bring it through on the day. Like you see lads stop tracking runners 20 minutes into a game when they cannot be gassed. It is very hard to fathom. I think we would all love the players to shut us all up. I really really want lads to prove us all wrong and do it. | |
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Kildare98 All-Star
Posts : 3160 Join date : 2013-01-12
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:39 am | |
| You'd wonder does the criticism they get actually sting.
Like, I was like listening to this YouTube chat between Michael Verney and Shane Stapleton about Armagh v Kildare. They were essentially reflecting the consensus on here – for all the flashes of brilliance these Kildare lads have shown at underage, and in 2017/18, too often they have been found wanting physically, mentally and tactically in pressure moments. Increasingly, it looks like they have been totally over-rated and overhyped.
I mean, if I'm a player listening to this, I'm outraged and determined to prove everyone wrong – but people were saying the stuff last year and absolutely nothing happened.
Anyway, they have four games to sort it out. If they don't get promoted this season, it's time to rip it up and start again. We have to build a new team around the U20 All Ireland side and the next generation coming behind. The minors beat Dublin in the Leinster final last year. We are actually producing a conveyor belt which hopefully will continue.
After the last day, for example, I think there's a good case for dropping all of the senior lads bar Donnellan, K Cribbin and Brophy. Like I say, the consensus is forming that they're a soft touch.
They have the throwdown – so prove us wrong. | |
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Kildare98 All-Star
Posts : 3160 Join date : 2013-01-12
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:52 am | |
| Actually, if we don't get promotion, to me it's a no-brainer to appoint Davy Burke next year and start with the AI U20 side. As Tommy says, no point pouring money down the plughole if we aren't getting results. Paul Rouse at 19.50 in this clip: rightly raves about the quality of Kildare underage, club and school football, then wonders what the f**k happens at senior level. He'd be right at home here on the forum! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R_B4eaZPcg | |
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Cilldara_2000 All-Star
Posts : 574 Join date : 2010-06-22
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:38 am | |
| - HauntedGraffiti wrote:
- You'd wonder does the criticism they get actually sting.
Like, I was like listening to this YouTube chat between Michael Verney and Shane Stapleton about Armagh v Kildare. They were essentially reflecting the consensus on here – for all the flashes of brilliance these Kildare lads have shown at underage, and in 2017/18, too often they have been found wanting physically, mentally and tactically in pressure moments. Increasingly, it looks like they have been totally over-rated and overhyped.
I mean, if I'm a player listening to this, I'm outraged and determined to prove everyone wrong – but people were saying the stuff last year and absolutely nothing happened.
Anyway, they have four games to sort it out. If they don't get promoted this season, it's time to rip it up and start again. We have to build a new team around the U20 All Ireland side and the next generation coming behind. The minors beat Dublin in the Leinster final last year. We are actually producing a conveyor belt which hopefully will continue.
After the last day, for example, I think there's a good case for dropping all of the senior lads bar Donnellan, K Cribbin and Brophy. Like I say, the consensus is forming that they're a soft touch.
They have the throwdown – so prove us wrong. People have been saying it for longer than just last year. The simple fact is that the group of players from the 2010 minor team have won nothing other than a Leinster U21, while having spent one year in division 1 and one in division 3. But of course, you can't blame them at all, it's entirely the fault of the various managers they had at senior and underage. But perhaps in that period of time they were simply the best players available on balance of all aspects: mentality, technical skills, willingness to train hard, fitness etc, and they have played at or around their level for that period of time. | |
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Cassanata Senior
Posts : 132 Join date : 2011-08-02
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:48 am | |
| - HauntedGraffiti wrote:
- Actually, if we don't get promotion, to me it's a no-brainer to appoint Davy Burke next year and start with the AI U20 side.
As Tommy says, no point pouring money down the plughole if we aren't getting results.
Paul Rouse at 19.50 in this clip: rightly raves about the quality of Kildare underage, club and school football, then wonders what the f**k happens at senior level. He'd be right at home here on the forum!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R_B4eaZPcg Disagree with appointing Burke next year, let him learn the harsh realities of inter-county management for a few years with Wicklow. We've changed manager enough and at some point we have to realise it's the players not the manager. | |
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Curraghplains All-Star
Posts : 730 Join date : 2018-08-22
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:58 am | |
| Kildare are not good enough for Division 1 ,this season is now relegation battle not promotion battle
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Curraghplains All-Star
Posts : 730 Join date : 2018-08-22
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:00 am | |
| Jimmy hyland not answer either | |
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Rex All-Star
Posts : 3056 Join date : 2010-01-31
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:56 am | |
| I'm hoping that these Kildare players are akin to a caged animal. You can keep beating it every day for years then you'll beat it once more and it will rip your head off.
Chances are slim but there has to be a reaction at some stage. | |
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murof All-Star
Posts : 1661 Join date : 2010-07-05
| Subject: Re: Kildare v Armagh Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:28 am | |
| We have 3 home games left. If these players have any self belief they will win those and secure our status. I don't think we are good enough for div 1 football and maybe next year might not be the best time if we have no home ground. Start with Roscommon who are a lot weaker than expected with missing players. | |
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