Posts : 238 Join date : 2012-02-09 Location : The Bog
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:41 am
Don’t know what track record ODwyer has, Bet in an u21 B final with Larries, did nothing with Rathangan, ran out of Killeshin after a year. Niall Cronin , David Whyte two that spring to mind. Rather Mortimer than ODwyer or any of these GDA’s and S&Cs employed by Kildare going around from club to club . But I guess You’re only as good as the players you have after all , only takes getting them on board with you really, not witchcraft this management lark,
white boy Senior
Posts : 185 Join date : 2013-03-19 Age : 58 Location : kildare
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:32 am
I think he got Emo to a final and won a intermediate in wicklow I open to be corrected on that if anybody has his cv not sure. As for Davd Whyte he is on his first year of 2 with Rathcoffey and Cronin is taking time out. Word from 2mile House was that Mortimer did not know his players best positions they did not rate him as a coach. Like I said in the last post, not 2 many top Coaches at that level, lots of journey men out there so you get the best of them.
Lillywhite20 Junior C
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:19 am
Amazing what you hear. I heard mortimer was very decently priced. A lot cheaper than the lads doing the rounds out there. Id presume that he wasnt TMH manager or involved in any great lengths of time with them and wouldnt be familiar with TMH so id say jim gavin would struggle to figure players best positions in a short period. Maybe we should get some of dublins funding to train up more coaches to make it more competitive for jobs out there
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SplitThePosts Senior
Posts : 114 Join date : 2020-12-09
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:39 am
Again I’ll chip in and say that standards are being downplayed here.. there are plenty of young mangers coming through! Of all the new managers announced on this forum, most are young, from Kildare and taking up managerial roles for the first time, having been part of high quality set ups in the past. These are intermediate clubs in Kildare we’re talking about, not senior Intercounty jobs.. it’s great to have the likes of Enda Murphy taking Leixlip, it’s great to have Anthony Rainbow managing at a high level, it’s great to have Davy Burke with a senior inter county team.. isn’t Emmet Bolton playing a part with next years 20’s? These are all young, talented men that may be a part of bringing the county forward in the future. O’Dwyer is a good appointment for Ballyteague. They’ll still probably be around the mid table of intermediate, but it’s still a quality appointment, the likes of which most intermediate clubs around the country would be delighted with!
seamymurphy Senior
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:43 pm
Lillywhite20 wrote:
Amazing what you hear. I heard mortimer was very decently priced. A lot cheaper than the lads doing the rounds out there. Id presume that he wasnt TMH manager or involved in any great lengths of time with them and wouldnt be familiar with TMH so id say jim gavin would struggle to figure players best positions in a short period. Maybe we should get some of dublins funding to train up more coaches to make it more competitive for jobs out there
Surely the TMH Selectors would give any new or interim Manager the heads up on who played where. As regards Mortimers em "fees".. your info is correct.
CILLDara 1998 Intercounty
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:48 pm
seamymurphy wrote:
Lillywhite20 wrote:
Amazing what you hear. I heard mortimer was very decently priced. A lot cheaper than the lads doing the rounds out there. Id presume that he wasnt TMH manager or involved in any great lengths of time with them and wouldnt be familiar with TMH so id say jim gavin would struggle to figure players best positions in a short period. Maybe we should get some of dublins funding to train up more coaches to make it more competitive for jobs out there
Surely the TMH Selectors would give any new or interim Manager the heads up on who played where. As regards Mortimers em  "fees".. your info is correct.
new management played Peter Kelly centre back for championship never played position for club beforehand
bloodsub Intercounty
Posts : 316 Join date : 2010-01-31 Location : Kildare
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:09 am
All Star defender being played centre back for his club, hardly the most outrageous decision a manager has ever made!
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seamymurphy Senior
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:23 am
bloodsub wrote:
All Star defender being played centre back for his club, hardly the most outrageous decision a manager has ever made!
 He played midfield the Year they won the Intermediate championship.. I actually think He played CB a few times for the County.
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Lillywhite20 Junior C
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:53 am
And was mortimer not only there to help out with training the odd time not fully involved. Not too sure
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seamymurphy Senior
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:04 am
Lillywhite20 wrote:
And was mortimer not only there to help out with training the odd time not fully involved. Not too sure
Correct and right.. move on, nothing to see here.
ClaneLillywhite Intermediate
Posts : 73 Join date : 2020-11-16
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:43 am
I don't think for one second Kildare are near either of those teams but interesting to note:
Limerick: John Kiely won a AI minor, u21 and senior title.
Dublin: Jim Gavin, underage squads, u21, senior 5 in a row all Ireland
Dessie Farrel: minor, u21 and senior AI.
Tipperary: David Power, Minor AI winner and Senior Munster this year
Tyrone: Mickey Harte, Minor, U21 and senior AI winner.
Logan and Dooher won u20 two years and senior managers this year.
*Kildare* brian murphy, never followed his minor team's through the ages, as a senior selector this year?
Brendan Hacket: minor x3 . Kildare Co Board wouldn't look at him, goes to Dublin club championship and wins it with Ballymun.
Davy Burke: wins AI u20, against today's finalist and beat Dubs, numerous players on both teams today. Goes for the senior job, loses it to Jack OConnor and goes to Wicklow.
These 'journeymen' who are club GDOs or ex players, maybe clubs should be looking internal and nurture their own coaching talents or schools gaa coaches etc.
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SplitThePosts Senior
Posts : 114 Join date : 2020-12-09
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:48 am
Good post ClaneLillywhite, I agree wholeheartedly. I think we’ve seen many quality managers come and go to another county without the board paying them any heed. I actually think we’ve had far fewer journeymen announced these past couple of months than usual which is why such comments surprise me. Ronan Joyce of and the coaches of Naas CBS have gone to Ballymore.. not too many schools playing at a higher standard!
CILLDara 1998 Intercounty
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:57 am
Every county has journey men managers
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lily4fr Senior
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:26 am
Good post Clanelilywhite. Don't forget Glen Ryan won a leinster with an underage Kildare team and won 2 national league titles with longford and that wasn't enough for the CB to have a crack at the senior job. Davy Burke was shunned because he showed a bit of ambition in wanting the senior job and now that's wicklows gain. And the same people are there or there abouts at the top so I wouldn't be expecting an influx of homegrown talent at the helm of our championship bids any time soon
lily4fr Senior
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:28 am
Good on Monasterevin going for something different with Mortimor. They were poor at senior last year so he might give thmw the boost they need to get straight back up because they surely have enough talent to win intermediate with the fire power they have
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TheBigDog# Senior
Posts : 106 Join date : 2018-07-11 Age : 56 Location : Kilcullen
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:07 am
lily4fr wrote:
Good on Monasterevin going for something different with Mortimor. They were poor at senior last year so he might give thmw the boost they need to get straight back up because they surely have enough talent to win intermediate with the fire power they have
They were shocking in the senior championship last year. As one local journalist quoted that they were the worst team he seen play senior football in over a decade. They might have the fire power to win an intermediate championship but its not good enough to keep them senior
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GoDownOnIt Intercounty
Posts : 405 Join date : 2020-08-13
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:00 pm
A bit harsh on Monasterevin.... were they any worse than TMH the year before? I don't think so
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Botch All-Star
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:00 pm
It was a hard year for the club player and a lot of teams were not flying. Its always hard for a club that just won an intermediate to stay senior. Raheens have been strong and can hold their own at senior and yet they were in relegation final 2 years ago. Tmh have gone up and down. Ballymore have been up and down. Castledermot have been in lower end each year in senior. Eadestown have done well but have been very close a couple of times of being relegated. It just shows it very difficult for a team to break into the top half of senior and stay there. It takes years and it takes population and good structure. And even at that there are no guarantees. Confey seem to be struggling. Naas have not won a senior since the 90s. Kilcock. Maynooth. Outside the top senior sides the others can beat each other on any day
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:58 am
I'd agree Botch and I think for the betterment of all I think we should work over a number of years towards an 8 team senior championship. Maybe relegate 3 and promote 1 over a couple of seasons. Champ then could play out like minor. Every body gets 3 games. Top 2 into semis 3v6 and 4v5 into quarters and bottom two play off in relegation final. Would then have maybe a 12 team inter champ and and a 10 team junior A and remained in junior b. Might just make all competitions more competitive and this can only rise standard as players will have more incentive to train better. Some teams might not like being relegated to inter or junior a or junior b but they just have to prove on the field that they are at a particular level.
GoDownOnIt Intercounty
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:37 am
Magical thinking guys....
If we had an 8 team senior championship for the last 10 years would we have had any different winners? The top 4 are way ahead of the rest, they are the ones who dish out most of the heavy beatings, not all but most.
Botch All-Star
Posts : 1007 Join date : 2011-08-10
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:02 am
It's difficult to say if the standard would improve. I have a feeling times are just different. And lads just not interested in killing themselves year in and year out.
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:12 am
No but you'd see less of Sash hammering Eadestown and the likes. Be less best team playing 13 14 25 16th ranked teams
CantonasCollar Senior
Posts : 114 Join date : 2020-02-08 Location : Kildare
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:11 am
Here’s my idea for a new club championship structure in Kildare.
10 teams in the Senior, Intermediate and Junior ‘A’ Championships respectively. 7 teams in the Junior ‘B’ and 6 teams in the Junior ‘C’ championship.
For the the Senior, Intermediate and Junior ‘A’ championships all 10 teams are in 1 group. 4 group games. Top 2 qualify for the semi finals while 3rd,4th,5th and 6th qualify for the quarter finals. Bottom 2 play each other in the relegation playoff.
For the Junior ‘B’ Championship all 7 teams are in the 1 group. They all play each other once. The team that finishes top qualifies for the final. Teams that finish 2nd and 3rd play each other in the semi final with the team that finished 2nd having home advantage for the semi final. Bottom 2 teams play relegation playoff. Same structure for the Junior ‘C’ championship except there is no relegation playoff for the bottom 2 teams as there would be no relegation from Junior ‘C’.
Probably a dumb idea but I thought I’d write it on here anyway. Each championship would be highly competitive with every team having realistic ambitions.
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CILLDara 1998 Intercounty
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Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:22 am
CantonasCollar wrote:
Here’s my idea for a new club championship structure in Kildare.
10 teams in the Senior, Intermediate and Junior ‘A’ Championships respectively. 7 teams in the Junior ‘B’ and 6 teams in the Junior ‘C’ championship.
For the the Senior, Intermediate and Junior ‘A’ championships all 10 teams are in 1 group. 4 group games. Top 2 qualify for the semi finals while 3rd,4th,5th and 6th qualify for the quarter finals. Bottom 2 play each other in the relegation playoff.
For the Junior ‘B’ Championship all 7 teams are in the 1 group. They all play each other once. The team that finishes top qualifies for the final. Teams that finish 2nd and 3rd play each other in the semi final with the team that finished 2nd having home advantage for the semi final. Bottom 2 teams play relegation playoff. Same structure for the Junior ‘C’ championship except there is no relegation playoff for the bottom 2 teams as there would be no relegation from Junior ‘C’.
Probably a dumb idea but I thought I’d write it on here anyway. Each championship would be highly competitive with every team having realistic ambitions.
not enough games in that championship for Kildare county board to make €€€ the more games in the club championship for €€€ for county board
BearintheSquare Senior
Posts : 187 Join date : 2020-11-10 Location : North Kildare
Subject: Re: Managerial merry go round Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:54 am
GoDownOnIt wrote:
A bit harsh on Monasterevin.... were they any worse than TMH the year before? I don't think so
No depth of squad at all. The cloughs will fare better this yr id say