U21 and Minor management 2011

Now that the Senior job is sorted does anyone know the story regarding these two positions for next year?

Are Alan Barry and Brian Murphy intending to stay on?

Will there be an overlap between the Senior and u21 management?

Will Anthony Rainbow be offered a role anywhere?

any word on managers for minors and u21 .

maybe it will be a murphy with the 21's and a murphy with the minors??

Would love to see rainbow get the Under 21s position,he going to make an excellent manager whoever gets him.

heard barry staying on as u21 manager

fone wrote:

heard barry staying on as u21 manager

They'll only be playing one game so.

bloodsub wrote:

fone wrote:

heard barry staying on as u21 manager

They'll only be playing one game so.

ouch!!

JME wrote:

bloodsub wrote:

fone wrote:

heard barry staying on as u21 manager

They'll only be playing one game so.

ouch!!

OOH dat one hurt!

In fairness there's not much talent to choose from this year. McGeeney himself would do well to get more than one match out of next years crop.

Is that the same Barry who lost it yesterday and didn't prove himself as an under-21 manager in two years?

On Kfm this morning ... Anthony Rainbow to be ratified at tonights Co. Board meeting as one of Alan Barry's u/21 selectors for next year

bryan murphy to return as minor manager tony kelly to return as junior manager will all ratfied at tonights meeting

Excellent News!

Excellent News!

Geezer has spoken at length in recent time of the importance of the setup of these 3 teams (minor, U/21 and Junior. He was at pains to point out how they are not just about results, but more of a system and training etc.
He is obviously very happy with the way things are running and nobody can deny how they are working. However, I would be worried about a management team of Alan Barry and Anthony Rainbow together. Alan, a clubmate of my own has proven to be a success at club U/21 but is not up to the county management. I can't quite figure the rush to get Anthony into county management either. He has had a couple of spells training and working with club teams. None of these were too sorry to see him go.
Surely it'd be better to let him go get some experience and see if he's even any good as a manager before throwing him in at the deep end?

rainbow will help out alot with the under 21's.......cud do alot this year!!

is anybody else a little suprised at these re-selections? i know geezer prob has a good working relationship with the three lads but is competing at inter-county level not all results orientated?

Brian murphy had allegedly the most gifted bunch of minors we have prduced in a long time yet were beaten by a Longford team who were beaten by offaly by 30pts (granted they turned that defeat around to win a very handy Leinster) yes yes I no there was the Dublin saga but these lads are all super fit and should have been ready to beat Longford whether it was 4 days or 4 hours later!

Alan Barry is known to hav a good relationship with geezer but surely geezer himself could see that he is not (yet) up to the rigours of intercounty management. First round defeats shouldnt happen to the likes of westmeath when players are after training for 5 days a week in the wks leading up to the game!

And as for the junior management, with the talent at its disposal over the last 2 years (with the addition of senior players) we still cant make it past the 2nd game of Leinster, this after players training 6 days a week and not allowed play for their clubs in the SFL.

Just a few points of observation would be interesting to hear other peoples views on this, if any

id also like to point out id gladly eat a slice or 2 of humble pie if im proved wrong and we return some well deserved silverware at these levels, because it is not for lack of effort the players are putting in thats for sure!

Loads of Pints wrote:

is anybody else a little suprised at these re-selections? i know geezer prob has a good working relationship with the three lads but is competing at inter-county level not all results orientated?

Brian murphy had allegedly the most gifted bunch of minors we have prduced in a long time yet were beaten by a Longford team who were beaten by offaly by 30pts (granted they turned that defeat around to win a very handy Leinster) yes yes I no there was the Dublin saga but these lads are all super fit and should have been ready to beat Longford whether it was 4 days or 4 hours later!

Alan Barry is known to hav a good relationship with geezer but surely geezer himself could see that he is not (yet) up to the rigours of intercounty management. First round defeats shouldnt happen to the likes of westmeath when players are after training for 5 days a week in the wks leading up to the game!

And as for the junior management, with the talent at its disposal over the last 2 years (with the addition of senior players) we still cant make it past the 2nd game of Leinster, this after players training 6 days a week and not allowed play for their clubs in the SFL.

Just a few points of observation would be interesting to hear other peoples views on this, if any

id also like to point out id gladly eat a slice or 2 of humble pie if im proved wrong and we return some well deserved silverware at these levels, because it is not for lack of effort the players are putting in thats for sure!

As a player who has trained under Alan Barry, I think he is one of the best managers I have had...he was unfortunate last year, it was a very good Westmeath team who being honest came up against a poor enough Kildare team on the day, Alan can only work with the players he has...some of the Westmeath forwards were excellent on that day.

Have to give Peter Kelly his dues too, After watching his performance in this game where he was sent off towards the end of the game and was largely ineffective throughout the game at midfield, to being an outstanding corner back on the senior team and the find of the year is some achievement, some man!

I know a good few players on the U21 team who were incredibly disappointed with the treatment the received from the county board, no gear, couldnt keep jerseys etc...I also think the Kildare u21 team looked tired against westmeath last year, hopefully alan has learned from that and perhaps eases back on the fitness training, at 20/21 years old you are generally in fairly decent shape and the focus should be on ball skills and passing and shooting...

I wouldn't rate Alan Barry to be honest and I think it's prob time for a change of manager at that grade.

As for Murphy, I've never played under him or had any dealings but I suspect he was prob a bit unlucky last year with the way the Longford game fell so close to the Dublin matches. I think maybe his only mistake was letting a bit of complacency or cockiness slip in after beating the Dubs as I can't see any other reason why they couldn't beat Longford.

Agree there ElGuerrouj the minors were very unlucky, with the way the fixtures went.
I personally felt they would have won the leinster and maybe they could have been contenders for the minor all Ireland.

dont rate barry myself either!!

would have liked murphy to take charge of u21 next year

How long is Tony Kelly in charge of the juniors? Must be 10 years at this stage, surely a change required at this grade anyway.

Murphy deserves another go at minor, remember the Kildare - Meath saga in '97?? Meath lost the next round/final to Offaly. Should Boylan have been let go after that! Doesn't matter if you're a young lad or not, playing alot of games close together tires you out esp if you're playing around the middle. Add little injuries and knocks you pick up and they were never going to be near 100% for the Longford match.

Barry for me prob isn't good enough to be a top manager. But in fairness it was a poor under-21 side that he had at his disposal. Thats why he had to play Peter Kelly in midfield, he had no natural midfielders available to him - in the second half he had to bring Keith Cribben out to midfield too. Hardly where you want your best defender and best forward playing!

Tony Kelly is one of the few men who would manage the juniors. I reckon it would be hard to get someone else to do it. Its a completely thankless task, the minute you unearth a 'gem' he's gone to the senior set-up, you lose players once they play for the seniors in champ so its impossible to have a settled team, you are given a load of senior players a week b4 champ who may have never played with the juniors and have to start them (Ronan Walsh for instance started for the juniors against louth despite having been out for months with a hand injury, he was understandably completely off the pace), you get very little financial assistance from the county board as most of it understandably goes to the seniors, players put in nearly the same effort as the seniors but don't get mileage, food etc...In reality the juniors are used and abused to ensure that that McGeeney has additional players at his dispoal if required and a challenge game at short notice! They're not really there to win things but instead to act as a feeder team to the seniors. About 7 lads who featured against Down played junior for Kildare so I suppose it works!

Ps I'm sick of hearing that Rainow needs to be involved in the Kildare setup. Why? I think it would be a mistake to have him in the senior set up as he would be too close to the players and I just don't think he'll ever be a good manager. Just doesn't stike me as the type. Might be a good idea to have him involved at underage as these guys will look up to him, but in a selector role only.