Naas CBS winners again

Unbelievable stuff. Four Leinster school titles in a row, plus an All Ireland. Whatever way those lads are being coached is not the Kildare way and the County Board should be asking them how they are doing it or have them involved in our underage teams.

Hopefully they go on and win another All Ireland title.

Exactly Rex. Look at why they’re succeeding and try to replicate it. Get the Naas managers involved in developing policy and coaching. Make them feel part of fixing the county system and let them see they can go up the ranks too.

We’ll probably lose them to other counties though. I can almost see it coming down the line.

Fantastic achievement. Between schools and underage, Kildare teams over the past decade have won 10 Leinsters and competed for four All Irelands, winning two. Edenderry also had a coterie of Kildare players, including Dan Flynn, when they won Leinster & AI in 2012. Plus Moorefield won a Leinster in 2017.

All of the vital signs point to a solid Div 1 county but we have probably the most erratic team in the country - I genuinely don’t think any other county could be destroyed by Carlow & beat Mayo in the same championship.

The underachievement of the senior team is genuinely mindboggling.

When you think about it the CBS situation as regards preparation is totally different to the Kildare underage system. The teachers in the school have full access to them. They can train have team meetings or do gym sessions before, during and after school. They eat together daily, are in class together and hang around with each other. They are for the most part a group of best friends The teachers are bumping into them everyday and the bond and relationship that builds up is huge. Put all that with the excellent coaches they have along with the talent and momentum that they are on the last few years and its a fair mix. Compare that to the hour or so that development squads get over in Halkfield one day a week from March to October with breaks for exams and holidays. You can easily see why it's world's apart. The CBS is like a premiership soccer team that are with each other everyday and the development squad like an international team that just meet up every so often. So you are never going to create that bond. Unfortunately the most access that the Kildare mentors underage can have is limited to an hour or so at wweekends and the availability of pitches in Halkfield.

Badger85 wrote:

Exactly Rex. Look at why they’re succeeding and try to replicate it. Get the Naas managers involved in developing policy and coaching. Make them feel part of fixing the county system and let them see they can go up the ranks too.

We’ll probably lose them to other counties though. I can almost see it coming down the line.

Last year in the immediate aftermath of their Hogan Cup victory, Pairic Cribbin continually referred to how it was important that the win would be part of the effort the drive Kildare football forward. He repeated it a couple of times to such an extent the TG4 reporter asked him to talk about Naas CBS rather than Kildare. People like Pairic Cribbin need to be brought into Kildare underage structures in a coaching capacity at some level

Anyonebutthedubs wrote:

When you think about it the CBS situation as regards preparation is totally different to the Kildare underage system.  The teachers in the school have full access to them. They can train have team meetings or do gym sessions before, during and after school. They eat together daily, are in class together and hang around with each other. They are for the most part a group of best friends The teachers are bumping into them everyday and the bond and relationship that builds up is huge. Put all that with the excellent coaches they have along with the talent and momentum that they are on the last few years and its a fair mix. Compare that to the hour or so that development squads get over in Halkfield one day a week from March to October with breaks for exams and holidays. You can easily see why it's world's apart. The CBS is like a premiership soccer team that are with each other everyday and the development squad like an international team that just meet up every so often. So you are never going to create that bond. Unfortunately the most access that the Kildare mentors underage can have is limited to an hour or so at wweekends and the availability of pitches in Halkfield.

This is why the issue with Kildare football goes far beyond senior management.

What you’ve described is identical to the Leinster rugby set up. You have 8-10 schools where the kids are training as professionals from 14 years old onwards and by the time they leave school there is a conveyer belt of talent coming through to the Leinster senior team.

The coaching at underage level at Kildare clubs is pathetic. Having been involved in both schools rugby and club football the difference is night and day. Kids are doing tactical video sessions at 14 years old in rugby schools while minors at some football clubs in Kildare are still just being thrown a jersey and told to go out and play with no tactical understanding or instructions whatsoever.

This is reflected in the fact that Kildare clubs have won just 3 Leinster titles and no All-Ireland’s in the history of club competitions.

Until the clubs who have access to the kids a few days a week from an early age get their house in order Kildare football is doomed to fail.

Badger85 wrote:

Exactly Rex. Look at why they’re succeeding and try to replicate it. Get the Naas managers involved in developing policy and coaching. Make them feel part of fixing the county system and let them see they can go up the ranks too.

We’ll probably lose them to other counties though. I can almost see it coming down the line.

Fantastic result. Worth noting only 6 from Naas, 3 Raheens on starting. A good mix of local talent.

Good to see Maynooth win the Dublin Junior A championship beating Ard Scoil Ris, who were backed by Na Fianna and St Vincents players. Nice spread of clubs involved including Maynooth, Rathcoffey, Kilcock and Blackhall Gaels.

Kildare98 wrote:

Fantastic achievement. Between schools and underage, Kildare teams over the past decade have won 10 Leinsters and competed for four All Irelands, winning two. Edenderry also had a coterie of Kildare players, including Dan Flynn, when they won Leinster & AI in 2012. Plus Moorefield won a Leinster in 2017.

All of the vital signs point to a solid Div 1 county but we have probably the most erratic team in the country - I genuinely don’t think any other county could be destroyed by Carlow & beat Mayo in the same championship.

The underachievement of the senior team is genuinely mindboggling.

It's bizarre. Can anyone offer an explanation, or a theory even?

Just a note I did the child safe guarding course a few weeks ago, First of all doing the course it would nearly stop you from doing any sort of coaching with the underage i found that scary with the thing you can and cannot do etc. Now in the course they say that from 2017 onwards they say all children are equal and all children have to get the same amount of time on the playing pitch and that it does not matter if boys or girls are at a different level its the same for everyone. Win or lose it does not matter and this is up to minor level. What are peoples take on this? I did a training course last weekend and one of the persons that was over a team said the he is over i thing under 13 but they have 2 teams A & B with A the good team and B the not so good team I brought it up about what was said at the Child Safe Guarding course the person reason was that how are the good player going to get better if they are playing with players that are not at there level? I said if you want to improve your better at playing with better players and they should be a mix I dont think it went down well. Do people on here have any taughts on this?

lily92 wrote:

Kildare98 wrote:

Fantastic achievement. Between schools and underage, Kildare teams over the past decade have won 10 Leinsters and competed for four All Irelands, winning two. Edenderry also had a coterie of Kildare players, including Dan Flynn, when they won Leinster & AI in 2012. Plus Moorefield won a Leinster in 2017.

All of the vital signs point to a solid Div 1 county but we have probably the most erratic team in the country - I genuinely don’t think any other county could be destroyed by Carlow & beat Mayo in the same championship.

The underachievement of the senior team is genuinely mindboggling.

It's bizarre. Can anyone offer an explanation, or a theory even?

Underage success has very little correlation to senior success, never mind school success transferring to intercounty sucesss.

St Joseph's Rochfortbridge and Garrycastle, St Mel's Longford and Mullinalaghta are about as comparable here as Naas CBS and Moorefield are.

St Pat's of Navan won 3 Hogan Cups in the space of 4 or 5 years in the early 2000's and Dunshaughlin won a senior Leinster title around the same time and it didn't mean a thing for the Meath seniors apart from 2010.

The successes of our underage teams in Leinster and beyond over the last decade, along with Naas CBS more recently is definitely a big positive and a sign of improvement in structures and development at underage levels, but taking off the white tinted glasses and what are we achieving at schools and club level that's better than what counties like Meath, Offaly, Westmeath did before whilst failing to follow it up at county level?

I'd like to see us overachieve compared to the likes of Mayo, Galway, Tyrone and Cork at underage, schools and club level before before claiming the signs point to us being a Division 1 county to be honest.

Just another thing that was alarming was the drop off from kid at the of 15 upward to other sports or not bothering is 52% which is huge.

The drop off rate in our club is alot higher then 52% I am afraid. We are only getting 2 or 3 max from every minor team. Various reason some are living away and are now extremely invested in their college courses and dont have the time. Others are saving for or paying off a car and insurance and working as many hours as they can. Alot enjoyed playing with their friends up along but have no interest in playing adult football with a whole new group of players. The effort that goes in now to play adult football is probably turning people off. God be with the days you would go for a couple of pints after training. They hardly even go now after a match. The fun is gone out if it for most and they prefer to invest their free time elsewhere.

[quote="Anyonebutthedubs"]The drop off rate in our club is alot higher then 52% I am afraid. We are only getting 2 or 3 max from every minor team. Various reason some are living away and are now extremely invested in their college courses and dont have the time. Others are saving for or paying off a car and insurance and working as many hours as they can. Alot enjoyed playing with their friends up along but have no interest in playing adult football with a whole new group of players. The effort that goes in now to play adult football is probably turning people off. God be with the days you would go for a couple of pints after training. They hardly even go now after a match. The fun is gone out if it for most and they prefer to invest their free time elsewhere.[/quote

Exactly.. Same with us. A constant struggle.