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PostSubject: Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare.   Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare. Icon_minitimeThu Feb 16, 2012 9:55 pm

There is a lot in it lads,but its worth a read.

Below is an article from the Anglo Celt newspaper

http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/gaelicfootball/articles/2012/02/15/4009016-seanie-we-hardly-knew-ye--and-now-youre-gone/

Written by Paul Fitzpatrick - Seems to be a Cavan man who has been hurt deeply by Seanie:



Seanie we hardly knew ye - and now you're gone.


First, some background. Seanie Johnston is not a bad man, as the boxer Chris Eubank used contend. He's not a waster, a boozer, a cheat - he's "a good lad", a nice guy who doesn't even use bad language. The hum to the contrary from Breffni bar-stool experts and internet warriors has been growing louder and more vociferous and it's wrong. If you don't know him, don't judge him.
Sean Johnston is an amateur footballer who plays for the love of the game, and has worked phenomenally hard to reach the level of skill and conditioning that he has. People see what they want to see - a swaggering, sometimes-petulant forward who has been booked countless times (but never red-carded) getting his comeuppance, or a genius, a passionate attacker held back by poor team-mates and coldly discarded by the manager...

The truth is perhaps somewhere in between or, maybe, nowhere close at all.
Sean's always carried himself in a way that rubs up some people wrong. He's seen as cocky but he does it in an endearing way - it's just his way, since he was a kid, likeable and fun-loving.
Even as a teenage handballer, he would drive his coach mad. The alleys were cold - some days, when you spoke, your breath would wisp away in the air. "Jelly" would show up in tracksuit bottoms, a fleece, a benny hat, complaining that it was "freeeezing" in his own style. The coach would tut, players would giggle but in big games, when he was flinging the ball left-handed and covering the court with incredible speed, he looked like one of the best in the country.
But he was destined for bigger things than underage handball. He repeated his Leaving Cert in Dublin before going to college and beginning training religiously, coming into the Cavan senior team at corner-forward aged 18.

At some stage around 2004 or so, Sean became Seanie. He was in DCU by this stage and preparing like a pro. The benefits to his game were obvious. He grew stronger and more accurate and for a time looked like he could be one of the best forwards in the country.
When I started working in the Celt in September 2008, he was the first person I rang for an interview. By then he was training on the extended panel of the Irish International Rules team and making a name as one of the best players outside the elite teams, helped by a nine-point haul against Cork in the league that was televised on the fledgling Setanta station.
His accuracy was startling. When he was getting the right supply and was on song, he was unmarkable, as Graham Canty found out that evening.

Around that time too, supporters had started to comment on his attitude on the field. He was the best forward, no doubt, but wildly gesticulating at team-mates and playing to the stand wasn't doing him any favours. Some saw it as a display of passion, others saw it as mé féin-ism. Based in Dublin, he'd get rolled out for GPA or college football launches, posing with a few players in Croker and answering questions from the press pack. His profile grew. Without winning anything and with just a couple of years of quality performances under his belt, he was suddenly recognised as one of the best footballers in the country. It's fair to say that he didn't deal with it all that well.
Johnston's form came and went, then. He picked up injuries, maybe grew frustrated. He still hadn't hit the net in championship football for Cavan and his career seemed to be losing a little bit of momentum on successive poor Breffni teams.

In 2007, he lost his place on the championship team and subsequently travelled to Chicago with two other players, missing a qualifier match.
The following year, he was back but, under Tommy Carr, his career continued to simmer without boiling over, the pot never reaching the tipping point and sending him into the realm of truly top-class players that his skill set deserved.
Last year was a disaster at county level. A new manager came in and took a leap of faith, handed him the captaincy but things didn't go well. A new-look Cavan were trounced by Donegal, Johnston struggled, like the rest of his team-mates. Something was going on at club level too; he wasn't picked for their championship opener against Lacken, although he came off the bench to fire a hat-trick in 20 minutes. He was back with Cavan for the qualifier against Longford, but it ended in a humiliating defeat in Breffni Park.

After that match, I eyed him in the bowels of the stadium and asked him for an interview - he refused. I described the exchange in the following week's paper:
"Eventually, Seanie Johnstion was one of the last to emerge, and we asked for an interview. No joy. 'Val will do it,' he said, sidling off. Andrews, of course, was long gone, media duties fulfilled.
But the captain didn't feel like talking. Supporters, it seems, must draw their own conclusions this time."

Maybe that - an accurate reporting of what happened - was perceived as a slight. Either way, it has been hard to give the story that has been ongoing about Johnston's proposed transfer to Kildare the balanced coverage it deserves because Sean hasn't returned calls from The Anglo-Celt - he hasn't replied to texts either. Is it arrogance? Did the Celt offend him in the past or on that occasion? It's unclear.

(Bear in mind that in the very same week a couple of years ago that a complaint came from, coincidentally, Cavan Gaels about a perceived lack of coverage, a woman from another club approached me at a match and stated indignantly "ah, if it's not the Gaels, it won't go into the Celt anyway". People are strange, and infer what they want sometimes.)

Whatever, this newspaper broke the transfer story on November 24 and reported what we knew. The player remained silent as speculation grew but when Colm Keys of the Indo - the country's highest-selling newspaper - came calling, Johnston picked up and gave a lengthy interview, appealing to be allowed to go to Kildare and stating that he was living in Straffan. While the yarn, as they say in the industry, had generated significant coverage, Keys' article saw it cross over and hog the headlines for a few days, online, on the radio, on TV and in print. The die was cast.


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Gaelic football will soon be a professional sport. Oh, you haven't heard? Well, when the GAA accepts in a discussion document that it may have to consider paying inter-county managers, when the Sunday Indo reveals that Joe Sheridan trains more then his professional rugby-playing cousin, when everyone - nutritionists, psychologists, conditioning experts, physios, doctors, even managers - are being paid, bar the players, you get the feeling that a new dawn is breaking.
Kevin McGourty, the outspoken former Antrim player, tweeted as much last week. "Amateurisim is now gone as we know it, it stinks of what was happening in New Zealand rugby in the late 1980s and early 1990s," stated the St Gall's man.

Then you have a situation where a county manager - Kildare's Kieran McGeeney - approaches a player from another county with a view to his transferring. Shane Supple of Dublin, however, revealed recently that, when Geezer's name flashed up on his phone, he wasn't interested.
McGeeney, you see, is the archetypal modern manager, all furrow-browed, po-faced and oh-so-serious.

A mythology grew up around McGeeney and his Armagh team-mates in the early years of the century. They ate £50 worth of fruit a week, the story went, and prepared like no team before them. They were the first to jet off for warm weather training (a half a century after Cavan pioneered collective training which the GAA subsequently banned, but we'll ignore that part of the narrative) and their jerseys were adorned with mysterious symbols, triangles inside circles, presumably to evoke some incredible secret bond.

Despite overseeing relegation and his failure to deliver a Leinster title or even gain a championship victory over a blue-blood team like Dublin, Meath, Kerry, Galway or Tyrone in four years, McGeeney has been hailed as a messiah and his team have been regulary mentioned among the top four in the land, even though they're not even in the top flight of the league.
That's way off the mark, as you suspect the man himself knows, and their opening league form - heavy defeats against Tyrone and Monaghan - confirms. The smart money is on McGeeney to be gone from Kildare by season's end, regardless of what the denouement to that season is, and he is absolutely desperate to go out on a high.

Does he care what legacy he leaves behind? Maybe. Maybe not.
He certainly doesn't mind bending rules and ignoring the spirit in which they were born. Too much time, effort and - let's face it, money - has gone into McGeeney's team's quest for the candle to burn out after half a decade with no tangible success. The Kildare board are 200k in debt and his team are desperately seeking a break. Needs must.

So, Geezer needs a forward who can score, and badly. Val Andrews has one he doesn't seem to require and who has been stung to his core and is ardent to prove a point. Heeeere's Seanie!


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Cavan football is claustrophobic, like an over-crowded room. Clubs and committees leak like the Titanic and everyone knows everyone's business. In that environment, subterfuge is always likely to be, if not immediately exposed, then worse: the subject of dark mutterings until it grows legs and walks so far that it has turned into a different story altogether.

It's better to be straight. Johnston told The Irish Independent that he was ditched "after a ten-second phone call". It has subsequently emerged that Johnston was the one who ended the call. That's the story coming from one side, in any case, and we have no choice but to take it as fact. Why? Johnston ain't talking - well, not to this newspaper. Not only is he not in the talking business, he's not in the acknowledging calls business, unless it's a national paper.

Public relations is a specialist industry and an art that takes a lot of mastering. There is nothing more dangerous than an amateur PR man, which is why professional sportsmen - rugby players, top athletes, soccer stars - have agents and publicists to make sure their clients say the right thing. Sean Johnston, for a short time, enjoyed a similar profile on the back pages, yet batted for himself, making error after error.

A Kildare-based national freelance reporter, Darragh Ó Conchuir, and one of the top freelancer snappers with ties to the nationals turned up during Johnston's first training session with St Kevin's ten days ago. Either the club or the county board wil have tipped them off. How all involved expected this to be received - or Johnston his smug-sounding invitation to reporters to "call for tea" - is anyone's guess.

Then there was St Kevin's chairman Martin Murray publicly criticising Cavan county board for blocking a player who is "committed" to his new club. What staggering nerve that took.
The decision to go to the Indo and strenously insist that his permanent residence was in Straffan also backfired. Football is a way of life here; as Cavan's top scorer and a player who has featured in ten county finals in as many years, Johnston is one of the most recognisable people in the county.

He teaches in Cavan Town and, until recently at any rate, lived in an estate on the edge of the town. His house-mates are well-known. He would have been seen out and about and the football public was always going to draw its own conclusions as to the veracity of the whole thing.

County footballers like Johnston have a strict training regime, even in the off-season. That means spending a lot of evenings in the gym. Was he using a gym near his "home" in Straffan or did he go through his weights sessions after work and then drive the 82 miles to his permanent residence?
On one occasion, he used the gym at Breffni Park with another player and, leaving, apparently met Val Andrews entering before Cavan training.

What a pleasant conversation that must have been.
Had he wanted to play the role of the silent, wronged victim, he could easily have done so and, spun correctly, he'd have come out of this looking well. Instead, he granted an interview to the Indo who gave it the full tabloid treatment, blasting "LET ME GO" across its back page. He admitetd he was "poor" last year but insisted that he lived in Straffan and that that was the reason he wanted to move. It was an insult to the intelligence of readers who, just as they wanted to know why he was dropped, must surely have wondered why he was living in Kildare? That question wasn't addressed.

He also dragged his club into the mess, putting the ball in their court by asking them to appeal to the DRA on his behalf to basically allow him to leave the county. If not, it soon became clear, he was leaving the Gaels anyway. Just who advised him that this was a clever position to take in the media and in general?

After that, Johnston went back into his media shell, only re-emerging to grant that pre-arranged interview to Ó Conchuir.
And then the waiting game began once more.


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Maybe Cavan have invited this problem on themselves; weak management breeds bad habits. In November 2008, Johnston let The Irish Independent in on his plans to take a break from football the following summer to travel to Australia and New Zealand.
"Whether I do it this year or another year remains to be seen, but I suppose that's a decision I have to make in the next month," he said, confirming that "it would be for the summer".
Then manager Tommy Carr's reaction was to pander to the player.

"He'd be a huge loss, of course he would," said Carr. "There are very few counties that can do without players of that talent."
Later that season, according to a reliable source, the board and manager encouraged him to stay at home for the summer, making a commitment to contribute towards a holiday after Cavan's involvement in the championship had ended. No-one is suggesting that the player wasn't entitled to anything he received or that there was anything sinister about it. However, the question must be asked, is this a clever way to deal with young players on the part of the board and team management?

The year before, remember, then then-manager Donal Keogan said he'd never pick him again, yet he recalled him that Christmas after a seven-month break.
He was seen as the best footballer in the county and maybe started to belive his own hype. Certainly, he was the focus of attention before important matches.

In fact, the ubiquitous rigmarole over his availability for big games bordered on the farcical. It seemed that prior to every match of importance, reports surfaced that that the player was injured and struggling for fitness. Unluckily, he always seemed to pick up injuries before big games, which, thankfully, usually cleared up in time for him to take his place.
A brief search online confirms that the memory isn't playing tricks.

In 2005, he was the centre of attention as an injury concern before a couple of championship matches. In July, it was reported that Johnston was rated as doubtful for a do-or-die qualifier match after injuring his groin on club duty. Prior to that, before the first round of the Ulster Championship against Antrim, a story headlined "Cavan sweat over youngsters" on Hoganstand.com reported that Johnston mightn't be fit for that one. He played in both.

In 2007, before the league semi-final against Roscommon in Croke Park in April 2007, a story online stated that then-manager Keogan was "boosted by the news that Johnston would be fit" after all.
In July of the following year, 2008, it was reported that Johnston was "racing to be fit" for the Kildare qualifier in Newbridge having turned on his ankle in training.

There was fervent speculation that he would miss the Fermanagh match in June of 2009 having picked up a knock at training eight days before the match. However, days before the match, he was passed fit, as Hoganstand reported in a story headed "Boost as Johnston fit for Breffnimen".
By that winter, his injury problems hadn't cleared up with Malachy O'Rourke stating that he was an injury concern before Cavan Gaels played St Gall's in November.

Speaking of Gall's, Johnston was reported injured before the Gaels played them in November 2007 but was fit enough to come on and play well. The same was the case before Cavan's qualifier match against Wicklow the following year, a after which match The Anglo-Celt printed a clarification after Eamonn Gaffney wrote that the player was dropped due to disciplinary reasons. He insisted it was due to injury - in the event, however, he was fit enough to come on and turn in what was arguably the best half an hour of his career.

The trend had continued even before the Wicklow qualifier in any case. In May, before the first round of the championship against Fermanagh, Johnston himself stated in an interview that he was "50-50" to be fit.
Having played extremely well in both matches, having been "50-50" for one and not fit to be picked at all for the othe, the chestnut came out again for the next game, the qualifier against Cork, when a national paper carried a story headed "Cavan sweat over Johnston's ankle injury" (July 2).
Again, he started, but this time, like the rest of the team, things didn't go well on the day.


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How culpable is Val Andrews and the county board in all of this? Firstly, a manager, in any sport, has the absolute right to choose his team. No player is bigger than the team or deserves special treatment and if a manager feels that the squad is going to be better served without certain individuals around, he must take action.

However, there's a growing unease at recent developments which will almost certainly lead to calls that the decision to axe Johnston and Co should be re-visited. Team selection during the first two rounds of the NFL have smacked of a manager unsure of his best line-up. Val stated as far back as October that the league was the priority, which meant that we should've been approaching the Wexford match like the first round of the championship. With five months to prepare, he would be expected to have been aware of his best 15, but within six days, four players who hadn't even been given a cameo as a sub in Wexford had been parachuted into the team.

Maybe the manager has made his mind up to play as few of the older guard as possible. Followers of Cavan football know that Mark McKeever is one of the best footballers we have produced in the past ten years - he's strong, skilful, consistent and, crucially, vastly experienced. When he was given very little game time during the McKenna Cup, it was presumed that the reason was that his place was guaranteed anyway. Yet he hasn't got a run in two league games.

Then there's the case of John McCutcheon, a fiercely committed player and a favourite of supporters because of his bravery and strength. He's not the most skilful but we've had too many small, ball-playing defenders over the years and the Cootehill man makes up for any limitations he has with guts and a work ethic.

Well, he did - he quit the panel on Friday last after being more or less told that he wasn't going to feature because he was lacking in key areas. A good man lost to the cause. There's a time for blooding new players, for sure. But not all at once.

What has all that got to do with Johnston? Well, if the manager's decisions can be questioned on other issues - and two defeats from two, good players leaving and other top ones stewing on the bench suggest they now can - then maybe it's time to review the decision to scrap Johnston, Cian Mackey, Gareth Smith, Micheál Lyng and Dermot Sheridan.
We're not for one second calling for the head of Val Andrews here but it's clear that his team is desperately short on experience and, if the Longford match is anything to go on, lacking in firepower. Yes, they kicked 1-13 against Wexford but that same defence conceded 4-14 a week later.

What Val is trying is noble - start from scratch, build a new team - but by God is it a painful process. It's vital that we support the manager because the chopping and changing has to stop, but if results don't pick up, the usual clamber will start. We've been here before.
A Cavan player of the '70s and '80s told me recently that the cycle has repeated itself since his time.

"What's happening in Cavan is that this fella is coming in, a miracle man, and every time a new manager comes in, he gets rid of all the team before. And he says 'I have to build a new team because the rest are useless, and it's going to take time'. Every time!
"This is going on and going on and going on. It happened in my generation and we come along in a second generation and the same thing is going on with them. It's just unbelievable," he said.
He's right. When Johnston made his debut under Mattie Kerrigan against Fermanagh in 2003, he was one of four players - Sean Brady, Patrick Brady and McKeever being the others - who were straight out of minors. That day, Cavan were beaten by the Erne men for the first time in the championship since 1914. Experience, as they say, is the teacher of all things...

Anyway, the board vetoed the move on the grounds that there was doubt over Johnston's residency in Straffan. They were within their rights to do so and it was foolish of Johnston to allow that situation to arise in the first place.

But, as the issue drags on and results don't go they way we want, things are starting to reflect a little more badly on the board. Yes, they appoint a manager to manage, but he is answerable to the clubs. Not publicly naming a panel has been an error - rumours abounded last week that a couple of the dropped players had been recalled and that general uncertainty can filter though to the team, especially coming after a season, 2011, when we used 41 players.

The board have short memories too. While some of the key administrators are different, some are the same as when Cavan dipped into the transfer market themselves to bring in Rory Gallagher, who signed with Crosserlough, five years ago. There was no mention of Rule 6.9 when Gallagher togged out under a black and amber flag of convenience...

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There are more angles to this story than we can shake a stick at. A rules guru in the midlands was said to be giving him advice. There was talk of a legal contact with ties close to the association and of phone calls surreptitiously placed on loud speaker.
There's wrong on both sides. We're not privy to what went on in the camp last year but we do know that Sean Johnston scored 1-26 in nine appearances, making him comfortably top scorer. Surely there could have been another way to handle his omission, another message could've been sent; he seems to think the door was closed, Cavan say it wasn't and that mis-communication - if that's what it was - is at the crux of this mess.

On the other hand, Johnston's reaction has been over the top. To leave his club, especially, to play county football was drastic and could be a move he will come to regret.
A player - who was threatening to break through to the elite if a few things fell into place, not least his own attitude - fighting to get away from a team that doesn't want him, and the board which employs that manager stopping it due to a doubt over a rule. What a sad, sorry mess the whole thing is.
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It's a great piece, to be fair. I knew the writer in a former life. It's very balanced.

It makes you wonder if it's all going to go wrong. If Val walked in the morning, and a new manager called for Seanie, where would we be? Okay for 2012 maybe, but after that?
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Excellent article. Easily the best piece I've seen written on the whole affair.

Makes you wonder what we're letting ourselves in for. Also interesting to see the Cavan view of McGeeney and Kildare.
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Failed to beat a blue blooded team like meath in the championship??? Sure all we have done is hammer meath in the championship the last few years hahaha
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Very interesting piece, thanks for posting it. I think its harsh on Johnston in some ways - he's basically suggesting that Johnston fakes injuries to get attention, which is speculation.
I also think he's wrong to assume McGeeney will be gone this year and he underestimates the work that's been done in Kildare. After all, we were a kick of the ball from losing to Cavan in Geezer's first year - now we're making at least the All-Ireland quarters every year. Pretty bad mistake to say we haven't beaten Meath when we've done it three times running!
But a good article nonetheless.
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Sounds like Seanie is a bit of a prima donna to be honest. Can it really be that the former and current Cavan managers are both wrong?
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Its a good piece alright ,hes said a few things there which a small few people have been saying here for quite a while.
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I read that, thought it was excellent. Wouldn't agree with everything in it, but he certainly can't be accused of pandering to anyone, manager, county board or player. Obviously not a great fan of Geezer but sure there are plenty of those within the county so I wouldn't hold that against him!
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Roli tweeted in regards to this piece today "Seems like this guy has a personal vendetta. Its childish, petty and ill informed in my opinion."

Hmmm who to believe.

To my eye me he got all windy because SJ didn't talk to his paper and it all went down hill from there. Petty retribution some might say.

His take on Kildare are interesting in his twitter feed. His views after reading the feed are obviously coming from a Neutral stance. The one thing about twitter I like is that it is hard for some people to hide their true feelings and so the mask slips now and again.

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Re: The injury prior to games & the race to be fit:

Did Kerry not play that card with Mick O'Connell on numerous occasions.

Its a tactic to use a player with a good media profile as the "doubtful" player provided the player has the nous to play the media game.

I suspect that Cavan used Johnson ( with his cooperation !!) for that very purpose almost every year and I further suspect the reporter knows that very well !!!!!

All good fun !!!!
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That's a good point Kelf I'd say they did it regularly as part of some sort of mind games with the opposition, but the reporter insinuates that it's just Seanie looking for attention
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Great piece, Daragh will be delighted Very Happy Have to agree with Rex here, he states a number of times of how Johnston refuses to talk to local media and in particular the Anglo Celt so this piece isn't as balanced as it seems.

Never beaten Meath in the Championship under McGeeneey? And Kerry? Can't remember the last time Meath beat us and we haven't played Kerry yet.
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The facts are there and he's got a point about Kildare not beating anyone of real AI potential. I think this year will be a real watershed year for Kildare. The feeling is it's now or never to beat someone of real potential or this team will need wholesale changes before they can attempt to move on again.
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PostSubject: Re: Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare.   Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare. Icon_minitimeFri Feb 17, 2012 10:20 pm

This craic of not beating anyone with real AI potential is a bit of a bugbear for me. Just what is the criteria here.

Meath might consider themselves a team with A-I potential. They've been to two semi-finals over the last few years. We mightn't think they are, but they mightn't think we are.

Down might not have been considered a team with A-I potential but they got within a point of winning it.

Are Kildare a team with A-I potential? Most of the country would think not. Kildare folk think they are. By getting to the quarter-finals in the last four years, they've beaten a fair few teams.

Who ARE the teams with A-I potential? Kerry, Cork? Dublin? How many? Four? Five? So say five... That would mean Kildare might be ranked 6-8. That's pretty high in the big scheme of things, higher than at any time for about 10-12 years and about 10-15 places higher than they were at the end of 2007.

Basically, people will say they haven't beaten anyone of real A-I potential or one a tight game or x has never performed in a big game until they win the A-I and the odds in general are against that, although I hope they buck those odds. That's what you here. So that means the quarter-final in 2010 wasn't a big game etc. etc. It's peddling an easy line.
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PostSubject: Re: Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare.   Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare. Icon_minitimeFri Feb 17, 2012 11:14 pm

Since this article came to light yesterday we now have had Ronan Sweeney, Emmet Bolton, Willie Heffernan and Julie Davis all condemn it in public via their twitter accounts.

Pretty damning to for a writer to have their supposed truthful article ridiculed by one of their main subject matter i.e the Kildare squad.

Hence my conclusion that the article is indeed poo and was written by a man with a chip on his shoulder where SJ and Kildare are concerned so big that it can in fact be seen from space.
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PostSubject: Re: Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare.   Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare. Icon_minitimeFri Feb 17, 2012 11:22 pm

Rex, just because the Kildare lads don't agree with it doesn't reduce its validity.
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PostSubject: Re: Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare.   Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare. Icon_minitimeSat Feb 18, 2012 12:03 am

It does in my eyes because they are in the squad and a big part of the subject matter and know what is actually going on. When the people who are at the heart of the situation say it's wrong then you take notice. If you want to make an informed decision you make it based upon reliable advice. Members of the Kildare squad saying it's ill informed counts as advice you should listen to.
SJ would not have spoken to him, McGeeney would not have spoken to him, the Kildare players would have not spoken to him, so the only viable alternative left for him is to write it off his own back ie his own personal view, a view that was muddied by the rejection of a couple of interviews and the then the Indo article where Colm Keyes got the story first.
Plus if he wanted to write about SJ then write about him why bring Kildare's All Ireland record into it. Hell he even got that wrong with his Meath faux pas.

To me the biggest thing for him was to get visitors to the papers website so he decided to do a hatchet job on SJ and Kildare. It's a commonly used trick in modern day online journalism. Write an incendiary article and sit back as the website visits roll in, thus they give good stats for their advertisers.

As I said in another thread others will have their own views, I have mine.
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PostSubject: Re: Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare.   Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare. Icon_minitimeSat Feb 18, 2012 1:05 am

You'll also have to accept that the Kildare lads might have an agenda too, Rex. Why would their views be automatically more reliable than the journalists views? Surely they would want to be seen to stick up for their future team-mate, wouldn't they?

To be fair, I don't think the article pretends to be anything other than a personal point of view. Just because SJ doesn't want to talk to him doesn't automatically mean that Fitzpatrick holds a prejudiced view on it. For all we know, he could be very representative of Cavan people's views.

As for the Meath faux pas, it's hardly a mistake of such enormous proportions that immediately discredits everything else he says.

You could well be right in that he wanted to draw attention to himself, but it doesn't mean that his piece lacks any credibility for that. Surely it's part of a journalists job to make people want to read his/her work?
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PostSubject: Re: Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare.   Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare. Icon_minitimeSat Feb 18, 2012 1:39 am

sounds like this witer may have a personnal agenda with SJ. maybe that interview he failed to give when he was captain might be pivitol. not many players give top notch interviews after heavey defeats. a player can hardly be blamed in this instance. as regards co. players putting stuff up on their twitter acc i dont agree with. its not long ago since we were having a good old laugh at our neighbours from laois tweeting. i think their opinions on football releated matters should be kept within the confinments of the squad.
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PostSubject: Re: Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare.   Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare. Icon_minitimeSat Feb 18, 2012 2:43 am

Rex wrote:
Since this article came to light yesterday we now have had Ronan Sweeney, Emmet Bolton, Willie Heffernan and Julie Davis all condemn it in public via their twitter accounts.

Pretty damning to for a writer to have their supposed truthful article ridiculed by one of their main subject matter i.e the Kildare squad.

Hence my conclusion that the article is indeed poo and was written by a man with a chip on his shoulder where SJ and Kildare are concerned so big that it can in fact be seen from space.

I wouldn't consider it damning that this quartet would condemn it. I'd consider it obvious that they would. The only thing I'd really condemn is his analysis of McGeeney as a manager. He's brought everything into it, what is being said, implied etc. He rejects some of it. He is quite open about being turned down for interviews. He's hardly alone in doubting whether SJ lives in Straffan. He's not alone in seeing this as nothing but skirting around the rule book to play inter-county football.

And he makes no effort to portray it as anything but a personal viewpoint. I actually think it's a good effort, even if I disagree with much of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare.   Anglo Celt on Seanie Johnston, McGeeney and Kildare. Icon_minitimeSat Feb 18, 2012 2:55 am

Rex wrote:
Since this article came to light yesterday we now have had Ronan Sweeney, Emmet Bolton, Willie Heffernan and Julie Davis all condemn it in public via their twitter accounts.

Pretty damning to for a writer to have their supposed truthful article ridiculed by one of their main subject matter i.e the Kildare squad.

They're only toeing the party line. They'd hardly come out and be critical of either McGeeney or Johnston now would they.
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SM, They didn't have to say anything though. that's what makes me sit up and take notice. Kildare have been disparaged in many an article but no one responded to it. They did this one. Why? Well maybe they know more than the average supporter or a reporter who has an obvious axe to grind.

rgb, Why would squad members be more reliable than a reporter with no knowledge or connection to Kildare. I think you have answered your own question there.

As for the Meath mistake, it may only be small in terms of wording but it shows to me at least that the writer sat down at his lap top opened up word and just typed whatever popped into his head giving no thought for facts. The one thing I would have thought is that if you are going to write an article such as this the very first thing you do is get all facts correct as it leaves you open to ridiclue. He couldn't even do that.

The problem I have with it is that if it was written by a neutral writer without the attack on Kildare which served no purpose then I could see some positives in it. However this was not written by a neutral, this was written by a local reporter in Cavan who has been storing up a decent amount of anger and resentment towards SJ. Thus when it finally came out he lashed out at everything, he let his emotions override his sense of judgement, in turn rendering his article worthless.
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I really don't think he 'lashed out' at any point. Give us an example? He says lots of good things about Johnston as well...
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Is there any further news of the transfer itself? Murtagh had his transfer from Armagh to Louth rejected.

The longer this drags on the more of a distraction it will become. It needs to be settled soon either way and a line can be drawn under it.
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Ah lads cut to the chase. SJ is in an absolute different class to any forward in Kildare at the moment , probably ever .

If he comes , he plays and that is it. He is more than welcome.

Let it run its course but I am fairly sure that SJ will be lining out top of the left for us come summertime.
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