Kildare League Fixtures 2013

Nobody is going to travel. Certainly not 6-7000 for a game that should be at home. People are not going to bled dry by the GAA, supporter or no supporter. If they got 1000 Kildare fans to go I would be surprised from what I have heard talking to people.
Kildare supporters have had enough of being the punch bag and cash cow for the GAA.

Parnell Park capacity is now 7,300 per Colm Keys in the Indo today and the Dubs may be compelled to play there home games in Croke Park. Not much of a punishment, considering they're looking to play their home games in Croke Park anyway. Methinks this is just a smokescreen to justify moving us out of St. Conleths for our games against Donegal and Dublin.

newbridge is a kip and an embarrassment, in the last 5 years we have played i would estimate about 75% of our games in croker. what is the big issue here?

if i was a player and asked where would i prefer to play dublin, in newbridge on a sunday afteroon in st Kipleths Park or in Croker under lights on a sat eve it would be a no brainer.

people should have taken action years ago when there was money available and refused to go to newbridge until improvements were made.

Fear An Geata wrote:

Parnell Park capacity is now 7,300 per Colm Keys in the Indo today and the Dubs may be compelled to play there home games in Croke Park. Not much of a punishment, considering they're looking to play their home games in Croke Park anyway. Methinks this is just a smokescreen to justify moving us out of St. Conleths for our games against Donegal and Dublin.

Can you please explain the Punishment ??? for what ??

Loads of Pints wrote:

newbridge is a kip and an embarrassment, in the last 5 years we have played i would estimate about 75% of our games in croker. what is the big issue here?

if i was a player and asked where would i prefer to play dublin, in newbridge on a sunday afteroon in st Kipleths Park or in Croker under lights on a sat eve it would be a no brainer.

people should have taken action years ago when there was money available and refused to go to newbridge until improvements were made.

It's the principal and the extra cost. Surprised you need to ask.
We have a home pitch , it may be in a state but it's our home ground, in our County and we are like every other County entitled to play our matches there. They want us to move our home games into Dublin so they can make more money and appease the dubs. As usual extra expense it's pushed upon Kildare with no thought of the average supporter. Once these games are moved that's it, St Conleths will never see a white Jersey again. I think that is something to fight for.
As much as I admire the players, it's not all about them all the time. Supporters rights need to be taken into account once in a while and at the moment Kildare supporters are being dumped on from a height.

Baba O' Reily wrote:

Loads of Pints wrote:

newbridge is a kip and an embarrassment, in the last 5 years we have played i would estimate about 75% of our games in croker. what is the big issue here?

if i was a player and asked where would i prefer to play dublin, in newbridge on a sunday afteroon in st Kipleths Park or in Croker under lights on a sat eve it would be a no brainer.

people should have taken action years ago when there was money available and refused to go to newbridge until improvements were made.

It's the principal and the extra cost. Surprised you need to ask.
We have a home pitch , it may be in a state but it's our home ground, in our County and we are like every other County entitled to play our matches there. They want us to move our home games into Dublin so they can make more money and appease the dubs. Bull !!!

So the lack of vision for the last 10 year in providing a half decent ground is indeed looking out for Supporters rights need to be taken into account once in a while and at the moment Kildare supporters are being dumped on from a height" Dont be covering the lack of vision on the KILDARE GAA county boards part with bull !!! about appease the dubs

As usual extra expense it's pushed upon Kildare with no thought of the average supporter.
Once these games are moved that's it, St Conleths will never see a white Jersey again. I think that is something to fight for.As much as I admire the players, it's not all about them all the time.Supporters rights need to be taken into account once in a while and at the moment Kildare supporters are being dumped on from a height. Once again who is at fault KILDARE GAA County board

Whose fault is it that Parnell Park can't accommodate Dublin now either. For a supposed big support and plenty of money, 7,300 is shocking.
Why is your Chairman whining in the press about Kildare. If they want to have a spring series go ahead, he obviously knows without a second County Dublin can't make any money out of it. So to appease the dubs the GAA will move Kildare and Mr. Kettle can have his way. So the way I look at it now is he can have 30% of something or 100% of nothing, if Kildare go up we'll take the lions share for being put out. Hows that.
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To answer your question Ogie I agree with Baba go all ticket.
Have said before on here yes our grounds are a kip bit there our grounds. I have followed Kildare all over the country for many a year now and plan to for many more but I do not see why we should move. We can all debate whos fault it is that our county grounds does not hold more but if we always move out of it it will never hold more. Stand our ground now and if fans kick up for not being able to se their team then and only then something might happen. If we move everytime our own grounds cant hold the crowd why would the GAA or our own County Board need to improve it????? I would rather not see our team play because our grounds can not hold the capacity then have to move to a different County.

sniper wrote:

Baba O' Reily wrote:

Whose fault is it that Parnell Park can't accommodate Dublin now either. For a supposed big support and plenty of money, 7,300 is shocking.

I dont have a problem with the reduction due to H&S , but i am not going to come out with outlandish claims that it Kildare fault !!! And if you know your facts it was Dublin who put it to the GAA about building a meduin size staduim themselves in west Dublin or supporting the Gaa if they wishes


Why is your Chairman whining in the press about Kildare. If they want to have a spring series go ahead,

Read it again , I think he is supporting your right to hold your home games in Conleths , I dont see Donegal , Kerry , etc rowing in behind you !!

he obviously knows without a second County Dublin can't make any money out of it.

Nobody else whinges about playing in Croke Park Tyrone 2009 / Kerry 2012 when there home games were played in this neutral staduim

So to appease the dubs the GAA will move Kildare and Mr. Kettle can have his way.

I dont hear Mayo Tyrone or Down whinging about playing Dublin in Croke Park , so you dont have to throw the rattler out of the pram , We dont need Kildare to engage in helping themselves financially !!! Even if its a good idea to run any format for spring series !! which can help a neighbour in Need


So the way I look at it now is he can have 30% of something or 100% of nothing, if Kildare go up we'll take the lions share for being put out. Hows that.

I dont know where your getting those figures considering you have been allocated your 2013 league money in advance to service the current debt ran up by the Kildare county board , so if anything Dublin are doing Kildare a favour financially , so how you can say " have 30% of something or 100% of nothing" is beyond me when The county dont have a pot to P.. in financially for the next few years , unless His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum throws some pocket change the county boards way

How s That
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I do.

Enter stage left Donegal chairman PJ McGowan;

"We've had no communication with Croke Park or Kildare or anybody about moving our opening league game in the Allianz League," said the Donegal chairman.

"It's Kildare's home fixture in Newbridge and, to be honest, they should be entitled to play it at home. I would like to think that the principle of a county getting home advantage should stand."

Croke Park is Dublin's home ground in all but name at this stage, I'd love to see a breakdown of the number of intercounty "home" games they've played there in comparison to Parnell Park over the last couple of years.

Playing away in Dublin, against Dublin, at home to Dublin, great idea...

We can either make a stand now and look to have these games played in Newbridge or we can bend over to appease certain sections of the GAA, and run the risk of barely playing a home match ever again, forever being rode by Croke Park.

In a week when people are talking about how successful the shop in Newbridge has been in raising vital funds, people are willing to move out of Newbridge altogether.

Sure why not put Conleths up for sale and be done with it? It might be a kip but it's our kip, it's a bit like a parent with a kid who doesn't like sport or have any friends, they still have to love it...

Jaysus I'm feeling positive about something from Donegal, strange feeling indeed.........

Some stats regarding Dublin here if_in_doubt (http://experiencemore.ie/experience-speaks/2012/05/23/off-the-fence-too-much-home-comfort-for-dubs)..

I'd be very curious, if we play double headers with Dublin in Croke Park and we are both technically at "home" are gate receipts split down the middle between Kildare and Dublin? Also, if our home game against Dublin is moved to Croke Park, can we decide that only Kildare fans get Hill 16 tickets and what will be the money split?

I do.

Enter stage left Donegal chairman PJ McGowan;

"We've had no communication with Croke Park or Kildare or anybody about moving our opening league game in the Allianz League," said the Donegal chairman.

"It's Kildare's home fixture in Newbridge and, to be honest, they should be entitled to play it at home. I would like to think that the principle of a county getting home advantage should stand."

Fair enough where was that published ????

Croke Park is Dublin's home ground in all but name at this stage, I'd love to see a breakdown of the number of intercounty "home" games they've played there in comparison to Parnell Park over the last couple of years.

Google it simple enough

Playing away in Dublin, against Dublin, at home to Dublin, great idea...

So much for "Who do we think you are , You think you own Croke Park rhetoric" pumped out year in year out , now your freely admit it !!! some people just can never be pleased

We can either make a stand now and look to have these games played in Newbridge or we can bend over to appease certain sections of the GAA, and run the risk of barely playing a home match ever again, forever being rode by Croke Park.

Sure dont they ride everyone , just ask Donegal and the €60,000 they have to give back , for years you where all happy with Dublin been rode as a cash cow

In a week when people are talking about how successful the shop in Newbridge has been in raising vital funds, people are willing to move out of Newbridge altogether.


Sure why not put Conleths up for sale and be done with it? It might be a kip but it's our kip, it's a bit like a parent with a kid who doesn't like sport or have any friends, they still have to love it...

So brush it under the carpet and dont ask the tough question why hasnt the grounds been upgraded in the good times , well that just answers the question , ignore it and be happy with your lot Hmmm I see now why its a kip as you say , if the general kildare gaa public are not willing to hold the establish accountable , the future looks great !!!
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in discussing giving up Home National League to play in Croke Park Sniper has quoted
Kerry, Cork, Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone & Downas "having no problem playing in Croke Park".

So can he give us the dates on when those 6 played their Home Nat League game in Croke Park ?

If not then dont try to pad a poor arguement with such nonsence

TommyK

The Gate from Nat League games ( less Ground Rent of, I think 15% & it might only be 10%) goes to Central Council.
So its only the Rent tahts available to spit between 2 "Home" counties & the cost of renting the stadium form "Croke Park Stadium LTD" may be from the 15%, so not much there for Kildare to move to Croke Park.

Now Central Council might make a special arrangement for a "Spring Series" but if they want to its well time they and the Dubs put their offer on the table or just forget it. U agree or dis.......

I do love when someone argues back at statistics. These are mere facts and factual figures Sniper. The point here which you seem to be missing isn't that other counties would love to play in Croke Park and so on, it's a county being given to choice to play their home games at home. That should be up to the specific county regardless of the capacity of the ground. Also, while Dublin's capacity gets hit, it's convenient there's a stadium two miles down the road they get to play in. How would you feel about having to go to Portlaoise to play your home games. Your county loses the economic benefit, your team loses a distinct advantage as backed up by facts and your supporters lose out on money because they have to travel.

kelf wrote:

TommyK

The Gate from Nat League games ( less Ground Rent of, I think 15% & it might only be 10%) goes to Central Council.
So its only the Rent tahts available to spit between 2 "Home" counties & the cost of renting the stadium form "Croke Park Stadium LTD" may be from the 15%, so not much there for Kildare to move to Croke Park.

Now Central Council might make a special arrangement for a "Spring Series" but if they want to its well time they and the Dubs put their offer on the table or just forget it. U agree or dis.......

Priceless ,

No Tommy K didn't write that Sniper.

Its an massive economic hit for Newbridge for these games to be moved. Ask any Publican or Shopkeeper in the town.

Then factor in how much money we will have to spend to travel to Dublin for our "home games" which will mean less money to be spent locally again.

What sort of crowd are they expecting at these matches?

Apart from Dublin, I can't see any of these games exceeding even the reported reduced capacity. Just because it's Donegal, Tyrone and Kerry, most people who haven't bothered travelling to league games for years won't suddenly start showing up. If the team start the campaign badly then that will knock a bit more off the crowd.

How many did we get through the gate against Laois and Meath in 2011? 3K - 4K? You would have thought with them being big local rivals that the place would have been fairly packed but it wasn't for either match. It will be winter weather and there will be other distractions on Sundays like the Premiership and the Heineken Cup. I doubt we will see a huge amount of the sunshine support ditching their sofa and their Sky box just because one of the big teams are in town.

If they're that worried about it make it all-ticket. There won't be that many who miss out.

sniper wrote:

Fear An Geata wrote:

Parnell Park capacity is now 7,300 per Colm Keys in the Indo today and the Dubs may be compelled to play there home games in Croke Park. Not much of a punishment, considering they're looking to play their home games in Croke Park anyway. Methinks this is just a smokescreen to justify moving us out of St. Conleths for our games against Donegal and Dublin.

Can you please explain the Punishment ??? for what ??

Punishment may not be the right word Vodafone (sorry ... sniper). But the reason you'd be compelled to play somewhere other that Parnell Park is because the capacity as it stands isn't sufficient to meet the demands. That appears to be the rationale behind moving these games. That explains the what for ?

In Kildare's case the consequences (i.e. having to move to another County to play your home games) would appear to be a punishment whereas in Dublin's case that doesn't apply because they get to play their games in Croke Park.

Its simple really as KK has pointed out. Find out what is the most people we can fit in safely and realistically and print that number of tickets. I'll be surprised if they are all sold for all the games. Its not the end of the world if I dont get a ticket for a league match, I've been at plenty over the years and never felt my safety was compromised in any way. The Dublin game is the only one which is likely to sell out, cant see Tyrone or Kerry travelling in huge numbers and Donegal wont be to fussed over the league imo. One thing is certain though I will not be travelling to Dublin for home matches.