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Sam1928 All-Star
Posts : 1055 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 95 Location : Down the M7
| Subject: Kildare Stats Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:33 pm | |
| Just a selection of some stats that I have been recording since Padraig Nolan's time 2002 to now..no agenda, just think some people might be interested.
League+Champ - Last 5 years '10-'14
Win %
in Newbridge 63% 12wins/19games Avg. score 17 v 15
all Away 52% 25wins/48games Avg. score 16 v 15
in Croke Park 40% 8wins/20games Avg. score 17 v 18
Record in All-Ireland series - Last 7 years
Pld. 6 Won 1 Lost 5
Record in Leinster Champ - Last 10 years
Pld. 20 Won 10 Lost 10
Record in Qualifiers - Last 5 years
Pld. 16 Won 13 Lost 2 Drew 1
Manager Win % - All games (LGE/CHP/OBY)
Nolan 54% (39 games) Crofton 38% (26 games) McGeeney 60% (100 games) Ryan 58% (24 games)
Manager Win % - Championship Only
Nolan 40% Crofton 33% McGeeney 64% Ryan 60%
Manager Win % - League Only
Nolan 55% Crofton 40% McGeeney 48% Ryan 22%
NOLAN 2003 Div1 (relegated) - Leinster Final - OByrne Winners 2004 Div2 (promotion) 2005 Div1
CROFTON 2006 Div1 2007 Div1 Semi-Final
MCGEENEY 2008 Div1 (relegated) - AI Q/F 2009 Div2 - Leinster Final - AI Q/F 2010 Div2 - AI S/F 2011 Div2 - AI Q/F - OByrne Winners 2012 Div2 Winners - AI Q/F 2013 Div1 - OByrne Winners
RYAN 2014 Div1 (relegated) - OByrne Winners
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flourman All-Star
Posts : 1213 Join date : 2010-02-16
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:59 am | |
| Jaysus we are racking up some average scores : In Croke 17-18 would normally be enough to win most games .. yet still no All Ireland I'll get my coat | |
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SeamusMurphy All-Star
Posts : 4040 Join date : 2011-09-27
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:58 am | |
| Fair play Sam, interesting.. Just wondering re: Stats, for our first Two League Matches, am I right in saying we have had very few Wides ?, which is all very well, but We havnt had a huge Score return either.. My point being that We are obviously not creating that many Scoring chances.. and what happens the Day We do Kick our fair share of Wides ?. | |
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micky murphy All-Star
Posts : 634 Join date : 2011-09-12
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:32 am | |
| Very interesting stats there, especially the manager % win, will be interesting to see this at the end of this year, our scoring is mad 17-18pts average - rekon that must be up there in the top 5 | |
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Cilldara_2000 All-Star
Posts : 575 Join date : 2010-06-22
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:56 am | |
| - SeamusMurphy wrote:
- Fair play Sam, interesting..
Just wondering re: Stats, for our first Two League Matches, am I right in saying we have had very few Wides ?, which is all very well, but We havnt had a huge Score return either.. My point being that We are obviously not creating that many Scoring chances.. and what happens the Day We do Kick our fair share of Wides ?. When you're talking about in game stats, it's pretty pointless taking any stat by itself, as you allude to here. When keeping stats, I would typically try to gain a decent picture of game by looking at how we used the possession we gained (IE score, turned over, wide, dropped short etc), and how we gained that possession in the first place (midfield ratio and turnovers for/against). The end result being that you want to "lose" possession by scoring and gain it again on the following kick out. Having no wides might look great but you could have a lot of dropped shots into a defender or blocked shots, or, worse again, not even work it up the field to have an attempt at a score, and all the while the opposition might be scoring for fun and cleaning up on the kickouts. And what I also find interesting is looking at how many times we get passed the opposition's 45 v total attempts at scores v number of scores. | |
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Sam1928 All-Star
Posts : 1055 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 95 Location : Down the M7
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:00 am | |
| Just added various achievements and performance levels for each year for each manager.
2 Leinster final appearances since 2003 is pretty shocking for a county like ourselves that expects to be top 8 in the country. | |
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| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:35 am | |
| McGeeney's stats aren't too shabby and won't been seen again for quite some time. |
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Ohtoohtobe All-Star
Posts : 1347 Join date : 2010-07-03
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:45 am | |
| - Cilldara_2000 wrote:
- SeamusMurphy wrote:
- Fair play Sam, interesting..
Just wondering re: Stats, for our first Two League Matches, am I right in saying we have had very few Wides ?, which is all very well, but We havnt had a huge Score return either.. My point being that We are obviously not creating that many Scoring chances.. and what happens the Day We do Kick our fair share of Wides ?. When you're talking about in game stats, it's pretty pointless taking any stat by itself, as you allude to here.
When keeping stats, I would typically try to gain a decent picture of game by looking at how we used the possession we gained (IE score, turned over, wide, dropped short etc), and how we gained that possession in the first place (midfield ratio and turnovers for/against). The end result being that you want to "lose" possession by scoring and gain it again on the following kick out. Having no wides might look great but you could have a lot of dropped shots into a defender or blocked shots, or, worse again, not even work it up the field to have an attempt at a score, and all the while the opposition might be scoring for fun and cleaning up on the kickouts.
And what I also find interesting is looking at how many times we get passed the opposition's 45 v total attempts at scores v number of scores. Yeah interesting point something similar struck me during the Meath game. The commentator kept mentioning we had no wides without saying we dropping three balls into the keeper's hands. Like it was still good shooting but most of the time dropping it short is far worse than kicking a wide because of the counter-attack. | |
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Ohtoohtobe All-Star
Posts : 1347 Join date : 2010-07-03
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:50 am | |
| - Sam1928 wrote:
- Just added various achievements and performance levels for each year for each manager.
2 Leinster final appearances since 2003 is pretty shocking for a county like ourselves that expects to be top 8 in the country. It surely is. IIRC, these are the teams that have eliminated us from Leinster before the final: 2004: Wexford 2005: Laois 2006: Offaly 2007: Meath 2008: Wicklow 2010: Louth 2011: Dublin 2012: Meath 2013: Dublin 2014: Meath Dublin have dominated this era in Leinster but most of the time we haven't even got through to play them. This at a time when I think most people would agree that the general standard in Leinster is far below what it was in the 90s. We're just not as good as some people like to think we are. | |
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Sam1928 All-Star
Posts : 1055 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 95 Location : Down the M7
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:31 pm | |
| - Ohtoohtobe wrote:
We're just not as good as some people like to think we are. Thats a very fair point and a question that needs answering..just how good are we?...perception is one thing and reality as we know with Kildare tends to be a lot different. Anyway I decided to do a power ranking analysis of the performances of counties in the All-Ireland series over the last 10 years (2005-2014) and the last 5 (2010-2014) Each team is given a score depending on which round of the qualifiers they were knocked out and winners of the final get an extra point..eg. Rnd 1 - 1 pt...Rnd 2 - 2pts etc etc up to AI Final - 7pts..Winner - 8pts Results not hugely surprising... Top ranked teams based on Championship performances (Last 10 years)1. Kerry 69 2. Dublin 61 Cork 61 4. Mayo 51 5. Tyrone 50 6. Donegal 46 7. Kildare 40 Meath 40 9. Galway 36 10. Monaghan 34 Armagh 34 Laois 34 Top ranked teams based on Championship performances (Last 5 years)1. Dublin 34 2. Kerry 31 3. Cork 29 4. Mayo 27 Donegal 27 6. Kildare 237. Tyrone 21 8. Meath 20 Down 20 10. Monaghan 17 For the record the worst 5 counties over the last 5 years are.... 28. Offaly 29. Wicklow 30. Westmeath 31. Fermanagh 32. Carlow 4 of them are Leinster teams | |
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LillieLad All-Star
Posts : 917 Join date : 2013-09-24
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:17 pm | |
| Jaysus thats not to bad, its a pity we never won anything of note in the last few years, we we're very unlucky with the Dermot, Daryl and Hughie Lynch getting injured at times and then refereeing decisions fecking us up big time. | |
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Sam1928 All-Star
Posts : 1055 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 95 Location : Down the M7
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:28 pm | |
| Agreed that we were unlucky with decisions against us in the Down semi and Donegal quarter, Dublin game (Brogan free) but the thing is the best teams will always overcome the bad decisions eventually. We fell short too many times.
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topcat All-Star
Posts : 1723 Join date : 2010-07-31
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:58 pm | |
| Sam1928, I realize I am asking a lot and fantastic work on this so far by the way but if you were to do the same in terms of the Leinster championship over the last 10 years, where we would rank amongst Leinster counties, my guess would be somewhere between 4-6. I would imagine Dublin and Meath obviously and possibly Wexford being ahead of us!! | |
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lilywhites on tour All-Star
Posts : 681 Join date : 2011-03-05
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:16 am | |
| Whats worse lads is that in 2012 we were going fairly well for the final 5 rounds of the league. Dealt with Offaly fairly clinically. Then came the first major disaster of the geezer era (bar maybe the wicklow one 08, when we were caught on the hop by meath. I am convinced had we beaten them we would have beaten dublin. Was definitely within our grasp as dublin didn't play well at all in '12. I mark that as our last great opportunity to overturn them in recent times (post leinster final 09 obviously!!!). If ya look at that leinster final Meath played them fairly well (had them on the rack even early on in the game) up until last 10 minutes when dublin broke through, but we were a better team all round than Meath and I maintain we would have won that leinster had it have been us. Momentum into quarters and who knows what might have been ......................we're forever saying it !! Definitely not a hammering by cork as it ended that year had we have been Leinster champions. | |
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Sam1928 All-Star
Posts : 1055 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 95 Location : Down the M7
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:31 am | |
| - topcat wrote:
- Sam1928, I realize I am asking a lot and fantastic work on this so far by the way but if you were to do the same in terms of the Leinster championship over the last 10 years, where we would rank amongst Leinster counties, my guess would be somewhere between 4-6. I would imagine Dublin and Meath obviously and possibly Wexford being ahead of us!!
ask and you shall receive.... 5pts for winning leinster, 4 for reaching final, 3 semi etc....1pt for round 1 elimination. Rankings in Leinster - Last 10 years1 Dublin 48 2 Wexford 30 3 Meath 29 4 Kildare 255 Laois 25 6 Louth 20 7 Offaly 19 8 Westmeath 19 9 Carlow 17 10 Longford 14 11 Wicklow 14 Rankings in Leinster - Last 5 years1 Dublin 23 2 Meath 19 3 Wexford 15 4 Kildare 145 Louth 12 6 Westmeath 9 7 Carlow 9 8 Laois 8 9 Offaly 7 10 Longford 7 11 Wicklow 7 | |
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Sam1928 All-Star
Posts : 1055 Join date : 2010-07-01 Age : 95 Location : Down the M7
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:34 am | |
| Its bizarre and shows the quirks of the current championship system.....we can be the 6th best team in Ireland over the last 5 years when it comes to the business end of the championship thanks to the qualifiers but we are only 4th best in Leinster!!! | |
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dontfoul Junior C
Posts : 16 Join date : 2012-06-18
| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:56 am | |
| - Cilldara_2000 wrote:
- SeamusMurphy wrote:
- Fair play Sam, interesting..
Just wondering re: Stats, for our first Two League Matches, am I right in saying we have had very few Wides ?, which is all very well, but We havnt had a huge Score return either.. My point being that We are obviously not creating that many Scoring chances.. and what happens the Day We do Kick our fair share of Wides ?. When you're talking about in game stats, it's pretty pointless taking any stat by itself, as you allude to here.
When keeping stats, I would typically try to gain a decent picture of game by looking at how we used the possession we gained (IE score, turned over, wide, dropped short etc), and how we gained that possession in the first place (midfield ratio and turnovers for/against). The end result being that you want to "lose" possession by scoring and gain it again on the following kick out. Having no wides might look great but you could have a lot of dropped shots into a defender or blocked shots, or, worse again, not even work it up the field to have an attempt at a score, and all the while the opposition might be scoring for fun and cleaning up on the kickouts.
And what I also find interesting is looking at how many times we get passed the opposition's 45 v total attempts at scores v number of scores. Not solely Kildare but if you want some of those numbers I have them logged for Championship games on TV over the last three years over at https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/Oh and all shots are counted not just those that score or go wide :-) Re the ranking of teams - there's a few places that do this GAA rankings - http://gaarankings.net/2015/02/08/national-football-league-round-2-review/ - this one is new but the approach is fairly standard when compared to other sports GAA Board thread - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057173179&page=11 - this one is run by one poster and has been on the go for a while | |
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lilysavage All-Star
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| Subject: Re: Kildare Stats Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:24 am | |
| Thats just one Leinster final in last eleven tournaments. A poisonous record. Mcgeeneys record in qualifiers though is outstanding. | |
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