All Ireland 2023

Pretty straight forward, beat wicklow and dublin to be in All Ireland. If they want to get fans back on board they can do it. Clare should of beat them in Croker, its do-able. But I don't expect them to do it, no point relying on other results. They have a chance to save the season and should see it as an opportunity. Unless all they're looking for is a text to meet them in coppers after the game (sigh)

You are all assuming Dublin are going to beat Laois.....

Laois who failed to get out Div 4? Sounds like a tough one for Dublin alright!

When you put yourself in a position where you are relying on other teams as bad as yourself to do you a favour then you deserve everything you get.

Our league performance was terrible. We knew how important it was going to be and yet the results show you all you need to know about coaching, management and players.

We are not going to beat Dublin in Croke Park and even though they are as bad as us I think Meath will make the final.

If they do and we are in the Tailteann cup then we should go all out to win it because next year's league will be tough if not harder than this year's with it being full of Northern teams and no home venue.

Then you watch Davy Burke out coaching a Mayo management team full of supposed brains an just think what a clown world Kildare football lives in.

Fair play to Davy Burke but Mayo were only at 50% they didnt try. With the new system they are in the group stages and all going well for them to the All Ireland they will play 2 games less so will be fresher. We have to do away with the provisional system.

If we beat Dublin not a single person will mention they were at 50%. We'd be smelling ourselves all year after it and yet we can't give credit to Burke without some caveat.

I do agree with you about the provincials though. This new format will be the death knell for them. Once teams like Dublin, Mayo and Kerry realise there is no point winning your province and it actually makes sense to be out then they are dead and we can all move on to a full All Ireland series in the coming years.

It can't come soon enough.

steviegenius wrote:

Fair play to Davy Burke but Mayo were only at 50% they didnt try. With the new system they are in the group stages and all going well for them to the All Ireland they will play 2 games less so will be fresher. We have to do away with the provisional system.

Mayo tried alright. They were outworked by a feral Roscommon team on the pitch and on the sideline who were gunning for this game. 

Mayo were not allowed do their thing, and were broken by the workrate and togetherness/ communication of the Rossies. 

Roscommon will reset now. That game is in the past. New focus on Galway and I have no doubt they will be better again next day out and turn them over.

If Mayo play Roscommon in the knockout All Ireland series i would be nearly 100% sure they would beat them. Would you rather play 2 matches less to try and win an All Ireland than play 9 in such a short space of time?? you will see this in Ulster the big teams will no worry about the provisional.

Rex wrote:

When you put yourself in a position where you are relying on other teams as bad as yourself to do you a favour then you deserve everything you get.

Our league performance was terrible. We knew how important it was going to be and yet the results show you all you need to know about coaching, management and players.

We are not going to beat Dublin in Croke Park and even though they are as bad as us I think Meath will make the final.

If they do and we are in the Tailteann cup then we should go all out to win it because next year's league will be tough if not harder than this year's with it being full of Northern teams and no home venue.

Then you watch Davy Burke out coaching a Mayo management team full of supposed brains an just think what a clown world Kildare football lives in.

It might sound silly but I think there’s more of a chance of us getting promoted next year if we get our act together but also a greater chance of getting relegated if we don’t.

Derry and Dublin are far stronger than Donegal and Armagh but Cavan and Fermanagh are far stronger than Clare and Limerick.

I’ve a feeling Meath will be the whipping boys next year and every other match will be highly competitive.

steviegenius wrote:

If Mayo play Roscommon in the knockout All Ireland series i would be nearly 100% sure they would beat them. Would you rather play 2 matches less to try and win an All Ireland than play 9 in such a short space of time?? you will see this in Ulster the big teams will no worry about the provisional.

Teams in Ulster and Connacht put massive effort into their provincials. There is huge credibility for them trophies. Leinster and Munster have loss all of its prestige due to dominace of Dublin and Kerry. Mayo always put maximum effort into Connacht, they were just outbattled by the better team on Sunday. Was a masterclass from the Rossies, had everything down to a tee.

For those of us that have played under Davy Burke - you know the coaching style he brings. Hard work and intensity in every session.His preparation of sessions and attention to detail is second to none. Scenarios are created and you are learning in these scenarios being paused, questioned and discussed in the group. Rework the play, again intensity go,go,go. Mistakes are not repeated.  He will know every single member of the Galway panel and their strengths and weaknesses. His players will know their exact roles on the day and they will have had their one to ones. 

It's unmatched. With the current crop, Kildare would be in contention for a Leinster now with him at the helm and the county would be buzzing. Honestly think we need to go for him at the end of the year.

Why would he leave Roscommon for Kildare,??

This forum is quickly becoming a 'Roscommon' forum:shock:

If Kildare were to drop down to the Tailteann Cup would they have to win it to play in the All Ireland series next year?

Well Kildare should only have Burke in mind next year. Should have been the ONLY choice in the 1st place! No Flanagan leave him with under 20s he is doing well enough there but not senior job material. It would be honestly a waste of another few year if he was approached and I say that with the upmost respect to Flanagan. Burke end of or McGeeney second coming. Which is plausible if the rumours of black eyes are true In all seriousness though I cant see Roscommon wanting to let Burke go so some serious begging and approach from a Kildare point of view is needed.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0411/1376399-championship-permutations-field-for-sam-taking-shape/

This makes it a bit more clearer, 🥴 it is a disgrace that management have left Kildare so vunerable.

Ah lads McGeeney? He’s won no trophies and just 3 matches in 9 years in Ulster with Armagh

Onhisboot wrote:

Twentyeight wrote:

I think you’re wrong there on two fronts. Westmeath getting to a Leinster final doesn’t free up an additional space, it would just put Meath into the Tailteann.  

Also if we lose to Wicklow we’re not necessarily in the Tailteann Cup, it would be pretty much irrelevant as both us and Wicklow are almost certainly going to get beaten by Dublin

I am fairly sure on the Westmeath point, at the moment the 8 provincial finalists qualify for the the Sam Maguire plus Westmeath as Tailteann cup winners, If Westmeath make the provincial final it does free up a space for the next best placed team in the league. You are right on the Wicklow point.

Dont think so...

If Westmeath get to Leinster Final yes that does counteract their Tailteann win but there is still the issue of a guaranteed place for New York/ Sligo + Clare/Limerick... So thats essentially 3 teams from division 3/4 meaning the third lowest rank team based on league position goes to tailteann (which would be meath) ...

Anything other than a meath leinster final will result in tailteann for them.

For us, its slightly different.. If we dont get to a leinster final, our asses will be saved if meath dont reach the final.

Im ignoring ulster for now.. A Cavan, down fermanagh ulster final appearance could scupper the lot

Its interesting that i think the provincials are becoming redundant completely.. Mayo dont give a hoot about the connaught championship as they will still be in the round robin and still third seeds so should qualify for the knock outs no problem.

It will be interesting to see if the same applies in ulster... IE will the likes of Tyrone, Derry (with sights on the all ireland rather than provincial) be taking it as seriously as always. They probably will given its ulster.

However, i do think the foot could be off the gas for the likes of kerry, mayo galway, dublin in the provincials going forward given it doesnt matter to them in the all ireland shake up.. They really only have to peak in june/july

just to add, it does show the importance of beating meath in newbridge that day. If we hadnt bet them , they would have finished ahead of us in the league meaning they have the buffer of not needing to reach the final...

Now they dont have the buffer, we do

I would be slightly concerned that cavan/down could reach an ulster final.

They are on the same side of the draw playing armagh and donegal in the quarter finals.... There could easiliy be upsets along the way there on that side particularly as i mentioned, both armagh and donegal have the "fall back" of being guaranteed a top 16 place based on league.

I wouldnt underestimate the "hunger" from cavan/down needing to win... We will see. i reckon one of them will be in the ulster semi final (at least) meaning further squeaky bum time for us.

Lets just go out and get to a leinster final and put all the what ifs to bed !

Fairly sure if Westmeath reach a Leinster final, we are definitely in. If Louth reach a Leinster final, we need to hope Cavan or Down don't reach an Ulster final. And if Meath or Offaly reach a Leinster final we're out regardless of Ulster.

(Basically we are 16th in pecking order right now - 13th in league but New York/Sligo, Limerick/Clare and Westmeath all above us too. If Westmeath reach a Leinster final it essentially puts us 15th as they are in via Tailteann already so only seven provincial finalists go on as such, thus we can't drop out regardless of Ulster; if Louth do we stay 16th but Cavan or Down could pass us so all on them coming up short; and if Meath or Offaly do we are 17th so that's that regardless of Ulster.)

And if we beat the Dubs.........?

KILL BILL wrote:

And if we beat the Dubs.........?

We must beat Wicklow first and then play the winners of Dublin/Laois,

Gaa1928 wrote:

KILL BILL wrote:

And if we beat the Dubs.........?

We must beat Wicklow first and then Play the winners of Dublin/Laois,

And i wonder who will win that  

The lads on here now wishing we'd had gone with Davy Burke. A few year ago didn't want to touch him because of the club he was from. That's the only reason Davy didn't get the job.
If he were Larries or Athy or Raheens he'd have walked into it.

If we are in the Tailteann cup we need to embrace it. But we won't. Lads will head to American and the usual nonsense. Tailteann is about our level unfortunately.

It was a real opportunity to change the culture of Kildare football. Be bold, take the risk and bring new proven thinking. 
But alas, the decision to go with the current management team will ensure we will remain perennial underachieving strugglers. 

The county board were afraid of Burke as he has no problem taking on the status quo if they are not meeting his asks. If the lads at the top table are not delivering for the betterment of Kildare football as a whole they deserve to be made squirm in their seats. And that has been the case for far too long now.

That issue doesn't exist in other counties matching our resources and potential resources.

MickosMen wrote:

The lads on here now wishing we'd had gone with Davy Burke. A few year ago didn't want to touch him because of the club he was from. That's the only reason Davy didn't get the job.
If he were Larries or Athy or Raheens he'd have walked into it.

If we are in the Tailteann cup we need to embrace it. But we won't. Lads will head to American and the usual nonsense. Tailteann is about our level unfortunately.

No there was lads on here AT THE TIME  of the Ryan appointment who only wanted Burke and I couldn't give two hoots what club he is affiliated to so long as he was the right person for the job. Why was O' Neill given it over Ryan years prior? which is why it is a disgrace that he was given it over Burke.

As someone mentioned syl merrins had the initiative to take a risk with McGeeney and like it or not. Kildare were a competitive top team at the time because of him. Taiteann is NOT our standard nor shouldn't be if we have ambitions as a county. It's unfortunately the potential mess Ryan has us in.