Was Bernard Brogans goal legit?

Will someone explain to me what the actual handpass rule means, ok he wasn't passing the ball to another player, but did he use his hand in an illegal way, all he did was use a total open hand to slap the ball on the ground to bounce past the keeper. illegal or legal?

i deem it legal!!!not a hand pass,is just helping the ball on,clever finish actually

But you know where I'm coming from walshe, his actual use of his hand was. if it was a handpass he would have to be blown for a foul?, but typically GAA the poor refs are totally confused, the poor guys haven't a clue what the hell is going on.....

definitely legitimate, same as if the ball was passed accross the square and he palmed it in with open hand

It was a great finish, very quick thinking. Most lads would have tried to pick it up or side foot it. I bet it's not the last goal like that this year.

Playing Rule 3.2

A score may be made by striking the ball in flight with the hand(s).

As Brogan wasn't in possession of the ball when he struck it with his hand there was absolutely nothing wrong with what he did. I thought it was a very clever finish as the keeper would have expected him to take possession before attempting to score.

Anyone got the actual rules as regards the use of the hands?, all I know you can't actually grab the ball and then use your hand to put it into the net,, if its in the air its fair game, and in Brogans case it was loose, but my point is, Bernard used a wide open hand, that if it had been used for a hand pass almost every ref would have blown him for a foul?

RULE 3 - SCORES
3.1 A goal is scored when the ball is played over the goal-line between the posts and under the crossbar by either team.

A point is scored when the ball is played over the crossbar between the posts by either team.

A goal is equivalent to three points.

The team with the greater final total of points is the winner.

Exceptions
A player on the team attacking a goal and who is in possession of the ball may not score: -
(i) by carrying the ball over his opponents’ goal-line;
(ii) a goal with his hands except as provided in Rule 1.2 Exception (ii) (see below) ;
(iii) a point with his open hand(s), but may score a point by fisting the ball.

3.2 A score may be made by striking the ball in flight with the hand(s).

3.3 (a) A score shall be allowed if, in the opinion of the referee, the ball was prevented from crossing the goal-line by anyone other than a player or the referee.
(b) If part of the goalposts or crossbar is displaced during play, the referee shall award the score which he considers would have resulted had a part not been displaced.

3.4 If a defending player plays the ball through his own scoring space in any manner, this shall
count as a score.

Rule 1.2 When the ball is on the ground, it may be played by any part of the body except the hand(s). It may be lifted off the ground with the feet.

Exceptions
(i) The goalkeeper may play the ball on the ground with his hand(s) inside his own small rectangle.
(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.
(iii) The ball may not be lifted off the ground with the knees.

legite for me. if he was going to bounce the ball to gain control its ok to use open hand. i dont think we should get bogged down in the niggly things like that. it was an opurtunists goal and i say fair play. be best to forget about closed hand and the "under arm" rule. to hard for ref to police

I thought that a player could use the open hand (underhand motion) when handpassing the ball. Once there is a striking motion then the handpass is legal.

Or am I totally wrong?

Edit: On second thought I see where the OP is coming from now when he mentions the open hand motion that Brogan did. Either way its totally legit. Plenty of goals every year where players palm the ball into the net.

Oh brings me back to the cracker of a palmed goal by Spillane against Tyrone in 86'... Flying Spillane..... Was the changing point of the game that year and Kerry went on to win......

Fear An Geata wrote:

RULE 3 - SCORES
(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.

Wow never knew that was allowed, seen many a player pulled up over it.

I had my doubts about this goal when i saw it so i asked a kildare referee yesterday and he said it should have been disallowed because as part of the new hand pass rule a player can now only score from a closed fist,be it point or goal.
But they can pass with an open hand once its underhand.All closed fist passes are allowed,underhand,overhand,sidewards although he did say some of his colleauges disagree with what he says hes been taught.

Take from that what you want.

Of course we all know the goal should have been allowed but never that simple.And that difference in refereeing practices is astonishing.

Good point Supersub, depending on the Ref rules are followed or not. Doesn't give a manager much chance to drill his team. Inconsistency again.

Ah lads! The ball was already in flight and he just flicked it on. Of course it's a legitimate goal.

Stonecold wrote:

Fear An Geata wrote:

RULE 3 - SCORES
(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.

Wow never knew that was allowed, seen many a player pulled up over it.

WTF lads????...I always thought you cant touch the ball on the ground at all, Thats a new one for me. Better tell some refs as well.

Brogans goal was excellent. He didnt have possession of it so palming it in seems legit to me. Great thinking to bounce it down under the keeper.

Sam1928 wrote:

Stonecold wrote:

Fear An Geata wrote:

RULE 3 - SCORES
(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.

Wow never knew that was allowed, seen many a player pulled up over it.

WTF lads????...I always thought you cant touch the ball on the ground at all, Thats a new one for me. Better tell some refs as well.

Brogans goal was excellent. He didnt have possession of it so palming it in seems legit to me. Great thinking to bounce it down under the keeper.

Ah lads, I'm completely disillusioned!! Two of the most senior posters (including the old forum if I'm not wrong) and you don't know this rule!?

I suppose we can forgive you as most refs don't seem to know that rule either!

Brogan's goal was definitely a goal - no doubt in my mind about that. Hand passing rule don't come in to it.

As for touching the ball on the ground - didn't know that. Thought if it was hopping you could probably hit it with your hand but if just lying on the ground when you are, I really didn't think you could hit it away.

3 cheers for bernard brogan i say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think there may be confusion with the wording of that rule above.

I took it to mean that if a player is knocked down and the ball is on the ground then he can fist or palm the ball away on the ground. This obviously is not the case and I am a mong.

It must mean he is on the ground but still in possession of the ball (which is not on the ground) and palms or fists the ball away.

Ok fair enough. Gotcha.

If you lose the ball and it is on the ground you can play it away with your hand, very rarely you get away wit it but you should be allowed do it.

I've seen many a goamouth scramble where that happened resulting in a penalty, but as Sam said maybe I'm reading it wrong and its the player and not the ball thats on the ground.

So sheridans goal should have been allowed.

supersub wrote:

So sheridans goal should have been allowed.

No he carried it over the line and then tried to kick it in.

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