2020 Club Championships

Kildare 2000 wrote:

seamymurphy wrote:

Kildare 2000 wrote:

Other hammering for Monastervin

Looked very unfit.. should have been up at ht and never raised a gallop in the 2nd half.

team unfit manager to blame then

Few injuries are a killer aswell for a small panel.

2 cake walks in first 2 games. I thought JTB were impressive much improved on their performance v Sarsfields.

Maynooth and Moorefield was competitive but never felt Moorefield were in any danger of losing the game.

I know this gets brought up every year but I do think there are probably 6 teams too many in our senior championship. Dublin had this problem a few years ago and relegated 16 teams into a new comp called Senior 2. We don’t have the numbers for that but I think if we had 10 senior, 20 intermediate and 12 junior we would have 3 far more competitive championships.

topcat wrote:

2 cake walks in first 2 games. I thought JTB were impressive much improved on their performance v Sarsfields.

Maynooth and Moorefield was competitive but never felt Moorefield were in any danger of losing the game.

I know this gets brought up every year but I do think there are probably 6 teams too many in our senior championship. Dublin had this problem a few years ago and relegated 16 teams into a new comp called Senior 2. We don’t have the numbers for that but I think if we had 10 senior, 20 intermediate and 12 junior we would have 3 far more competitive championships.

Have to agree Topcat........was thinking 12 teams myself but you're right it's probably only 8 or 10 capable. If we were to do that would it be worth looking at area teams for junior players like in Kerry?

I agree with you Topcat. I think the Kildare championship needs a change. Also good idea White Bridge about area teams. I like what they do down in Kerry. We could have 3 area teams here in Kildare. North Kildare, Mid Kildare and South Kildare area teams that would compete in the senior championship. It sounds like a great idea but would it work?

I wouldn't have 20 teams in Intermediate though and 12 in Junior... make it 16 and 16 and that way more players are getting senior football in the regional teams made up from junior clubs...

There's something more fundamental wrong at the heart of Kildare football though

Wouldn’t say there’s anything wrong, it happens in every county. Eadestown, Monasterevin and Maynooth have no business playing senior, though. Would definitely be in favour of reducing the SFC to 12 teams. But then you’ll have more hammerings in the IFC, lots of hidings handed out there too, and looking at the remaining fixtures, there will be more. Good win for Carbury today, that was set up for a minor shock.

In the intermediate, can’t see anyone stopping Kevin’s, very strong outfit. Kilcock might give them a scare but nothing else there to even come close. Clogherinkoe and TMH have regressed a lot.

Great to have it back up and running. Absolute farce that we can’t attend but that’s another days discussion.

12 about right given landscape now , throw Confey in as well. To be fair to Eadestown they performed well last year and deserve their go at senior. Add the 4 (from inter) to junior which is weak atm imo.

Some clubs arent good enough for the senior championship. There is a huge gulf in class when teams step up from intermediate to senior. It can be said the same for teams that go from junior to intermediate

I watched 3 games over the weekend

I thought Maynooth battled well versus Moorefield and they definitely deserve respect for dying with their boots on.

Daniel Flynn was unmarkable for JTB but i thought Larrys were very poor.

Carbury ground out a win over Raheens. A badly needed one i think.

Any issues with the streams this weekend?

lilysavage wrote:

Any issues with the streams this weekend?

I thought the camerawork on Saturday (JTB v Larries) was very poor. The camera (shot) was too close to the play and it couldn't pick up the near corners of the pitch at all. Any possessions around the middle of the field were fine but if the ball was moved quickly or kicked long the camera couldn't catch up.

If you win the Intermediate Championship you deserve to have a go at Senior. There is a huge gulf between the levels. It is very difficult to win the Intermediate Championship. The worst teams will get relegated over time. As the gulf is so large teams are going to yo-yo between Intermediate and Senior unless you rule out automatic promotion to the next level up. Teams need to build over time. The only way you can that is the play at the highest level possible and build from there.

You would still have Promotion/Relegation of course. Except there could be 5 teams relegated one year with just 1 coming up. Bottom 4 gone and playoff with 3rd placed teams for the other spot.

Unfortunately like a lot of counties we have a very Tiered championship with severe hammerings dished out at all levels but still quite disappointing to see Clubs dismissed out of hand on this website
These Clubs work hard to promote the game and try and better themselves but the gap is huge
Eadestown qualified for qtr final in 2019 and were not disgraced against Sarsfields and are capable in my opinion of competing with at least half the senior teams on their day .
Let us not forget 16 of the last 21 Campionships have been won by two teams
Amalgamated teams were tried in Kildare previously with very little success - we already have enough fixture headaches without adding more
Reducing senior teams to at most 12 is only way forward and have Intermediate Junior A and B
Team should have to win a competition two years in a row to prove they have ability to step up a grade

It's ignorant and lazy to just dismiss teams by saying they have no business playing senior football as if an unbalanced championship is the fault of the Maynooth's, Eadestown's or Monasterevin's of this world.

Its that type of backward thinking football snobbery that is killing Kildare football.

eadestown1 wrote:

Unfortunately like a lot of counties we have a very Tiered championship with severe hammerings dished out at all levels but still quite disappointing to see Clubs dismissed out of hand on this website
These  Clubs work hard to promote the game and try and better themselves but the gap is huge
Eadestown qualified for qtr final in 2019 and were not disgraced against Sarsfields and are capable in my opinion of competing with at least half the senior teams on their day .
Let us not forget 16 of the last 21 Campionships have been won by two teams
Amalgamated teams were tried in Kildare previously with very little success - we already have enough fixture headaches without adding more
Reducing senior teams to at most 12 is only way forward and have Intermediate Junior A and B
Team should have to win a competition two years in a row to prove they have ability to step up a grade

Some clubs just don't seem to be able to mix it with the big boys when they do come up. Monasterevan would be a good example of that. You need squad depth to stay senior and they don't seem to have it.

Am I right in assuming that Kildare's 1st and 2nd choice goalkeepers played outfield for their clubs last weekend.

Gaa1928 wrote:

Am I right in assuming that Kildare's 1st and 2nd choice goalkeepers played outfield for their clubs last weekend.

both of them played Outfield in last year championship as well

Great to see a bit of debate on here again lads........

And Shane McNamara was the star keeper of the weekend. Having a keeper who can kick 50 metre frees is a huge benefit.

Good shout KevHog88, A lack of squad depth with a quality bench has plagued both club and county for years. Having that something different in reserve that can change a game at vital moments. This is what separates the best from the rest. Maybe a Senior A and Senior B set up is worth looking at.  This is also not a problem purely confined to Senior. Intermediate certainly has the same issues. Its hard to see Intermediate Clubs agreeing to having to win Intermediate Championship back to back before going Senior. A middle ground of Intermediate to Senior B might work. Certainly should not be ruled out.

Kildare 2000 wrote:

Gaa1928 wrote:

Am I right in assuming that Kildare's 1st and 2nd choice goalkeepers played outfield for their clubs last weekend.

both of them played  Outfield in last year championship as well

Doesn't send out a great message to the goalkeepers from the other teams from a county team perspective.

Stephen cluxton plays outfield for his club

I think strength in depth at this level is not so much about having something different that can change a game and more about having a strong panel of lads that are at the same level as the starters that can come in either during a game or when injuries inevitably happen.

Having a fella who could come in and offer something a bit different wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to Maynooth, Eadestown or Monasterevin at the weekend!

County goalkeepers playing outfield for their club is very common.

The overall standard in Kildare is woeful. It’s deflating really. The standard should be better. Surely having regional teams made up of junior and intermediate clubs could play in the senior championship? And I’m not talking about just 2 clubs amalgamating. The Kerry divisional teams have about 8 clubs joining up together. It’s something to look at. A shake up of some sorts is needed.