Kildare U21 (2012)

Hanafin was playing brilliantly earlier this year for UCC when he did his cruciate I think? So I would say he's not even back to full fitness yet, and if he's back, he's not long back.

I agree with the bemusement about talks of 'this team should win an All-Ireland'... as if Dublin, Tyrone, Armagh, Kerry, Cork and Galway won't have anyone. Like Dublin have all their brilliant minors from 09-11 too.

The team is good enough to contend definitely, and depending on the draw, you'd be hoping they'd win some games and get to a Leinster final. There is no doubt that there is fantastic potential however, and the development squad system (as well as the clubs themselves) is really coming good.

Hanafin is overage.

Any word on trials or training lads

Trials have already happened seemingly ? Very hush hush

I know our club wernt notified about trials, and we would have 1 or 2 to go.
Something strange going in here.

Yeah I also heard there is already a panel of 40 players, yet our club was not notfied of any trials to which we could send players !

Was talking to the u21 manager in our club yesterday and he said Barry just picked 40 of a panel no trials that farcical and we have at least one or two good enough definitely.

Not fair on the lads who deserve a fair crack.

Minimum should be best 3 from each club IMO

best 3 for trials i mean

our club was told bout sending in players for trails in early october,prob only have one or 2 up the strength and fitness part,with some experience and first teams starters

ManBearPig wrote:

our club was told bout sending in players for trails in early october,prob only have one or 2 up the strength and fitness part,with some experience and first teams starters

Well according to our clubs 21s manager he never heard anything about sending players for trials

Strange...

This is a joke. And then theyll call on clubs to dig deep for funds to clear deficits etc, and wont even give them the curtisy of sending lads for trials.
Some players who never play underage county can improve and make it at u21. Johnny Doyle would be the best example of this, but there are many more.
How can the selectors just decide on 40 of a panel without trials.
This stinks a bit, as Barry and associates were only ratified at congress on saturday evening. So how can they have had training sessions and a panel formed? even though we know its been happening? ( cart before the horse or what? ).
And going on his previous record at u21 of picking teams, I think the clubs should ask questions here.

SeamusMurphy wrote:

This is a joke. And then theyll call on clubs to dig deep for funds to clear deficits etc, and wont even give them the curtisy of sending lads for trials.
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Don't talk shite now please. This has nothing to do with the selection of the u21 panel or indeed managers.

I'm a club Kildare member, should I have a say in the selection of the Senior panel and who gets trials for it? I mean aren't I contributing to clearing debts also?

fionnmccool wrote:

SeamusMurphy wrote:

This is a joke. And then theyll call on clubs to dig deep for funds to clear deficits etc, and wont even give them the curtisy of sending lads for trials.
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Don't talk shite now please. This has nothing to do with the selection of the u21 panel or indeed managers.

I'm a club Kildare member, should I have a say in the selection of the Senior panel and who gets trials for it? I mean aren't I contributing to clearing debts also?

read what he said again will you before you start talking shite, what he is saying is that clubs (not anything to do with club kildare) should be given the courtesy of sending players to trials.

I dont see your point. are we not allowed an opinion, or are you in agreement that these panels should be picked by a management team that was'nt even oficially in place? and that clubs have no rights, or to send players they deem might be worth a look?

Oh and well done on being a club Kildare member fionn, top marks for that! and no one mentioned anyone having a say in the picking of teams,

Our Club was never contacted to send anyone for trials, and if you bothered reading other texts you would see were not alone.

Sorry FFF you got there before me .
Tell ya what fionn, lets just pick a few selectors at every grade, give them the authority to do as they please, dont bother with trials, bring in who they want, maybe from the 8 q finalists in the A Champ. sure theyll do the job.
DONT THINK SO!!

SeamusMurphy wrote:

Sorry FFF you got there before me .
Tell ya what fionn, lets just pick a few selectors at every grade, give them the authority to do as they please, dont bother with trials, bring in who they want, maybe from the 8 q finalists in the A Champ. sure theyll do the job.
DONT THINK SO!!

Well said completely agree shocking that they have a set 40 and no trials look at Hugh Mcgrillen didnt start u21 in 2008 and this year an All Star Nominee......?

PLAYERS DO IMPROVE....

Everyone deserves a shot IMO

SeamusMurphy wrote:

Sorry FFF you got there before me .
Tell ya what fionn, lets just pick a few selectors at every grade, give them the authority to do as they please, dont bother with trials, bring in who they want, maybe from the 8 q finalists in the A Champ. sure theyll do the job.
DONT THINK SO!!

I agree particularly at underage that selectors should not be given free reign but you cannot say that because the clubs are paying levies that they should be call any shots. A lot of what is being said may not be true about panels and all in being in place.

It would certainly be a case of the tail wagging the dog when that happens.

dont think they are looking to call any shots just that there young players get a fair crack at playing underage for kildare and if there are no trials there will be a couple of players missed out on make no mistake.

There was at least one trial for U21. I was fortunate enough to have cause to be at Hawkfield for the Bord na nÓg presentations and a trial was going on in the bottom pitch. A player from our club was invited but felt unable to attend with us still involved in the championship, which was commendable commitment. So maybe the management only contacted the players they were interested in, which is sort of the norm when you get to adult level. The funny part though is that this management team wasn't even officially in place at the time.

As for the tail wagging the dog, that has been going on for some time. Obviously clubs shouldn't decide what goes on as regards selection with county teams, although they are entitled to express their opinions and ultimately have a say in appointing and removing management if they're unhappy.Equally, managements at any level, be it minor, U21 or senior, should not determine how the county's fixtures, for argument's sake, are run to the detriment of the clubs. That is much more a case of the tail wagging the dog.

The county executive should have the ultimate power, with the county board (the clubs) driving that. It's not always the case if you don't have strong leadership unfortunately.

Haven't heard of a panel being selected for the U21s but haven't heard if there'll be another trial either. Don't think it's uncommon for a club to make representations on behalf of a player they feel has been overlooked. It's probably not uncommon for those representations to be ignored either but I would expect a club secretary to make that call if they feel one of their lads should be on the squad.

Seems to be confusion: Some have said their club was notified (ie the proper way The Club Sec ?) but

I notice a few say their

Under 21 Manager was not.

Was that by any chance Club Sec not passing on notification ??? Or was notification selective ?????

The U21 manager wouldn't have to be contacted surely. The club or the player? I know our player was contacted directly via phone by a selector, Damien Hendy. When you're dealing with adults I presume that's the way it works, you'd just contact the players you were interested in having in. I can't imagine the secretary being contacted at all.

But do you not agree that a trial is the fairest way and could give everyone a fair crack? 3 for each club say for trials?

It makes sense IMO

Our Secretary was contacted about players for Minor & Junior trials by email from Co. Board, but not U21.

Alan Barry asked our Chairman if we had anyone for u21. They're holding another trial this Sunday I think.

Ogie

U seems confused

U say contact Club or ................

Later u say
can't imagine the secretary being contacted

Is the Sec not the only proper way to contact a club ????????????????
If as Fear A G says his club was not contacted its time email was issued by County Sec to every Club Sec, specifying what A Barry wants. And the sooner the better thus evry player in the County has a chance, not just the few whose Chairperson happens to be talking to Alan.

I don't know much about how Clubs send out players, but in this day and age there must surely be a distribution list on an email account in Hawkfield that with the click of a button can send emails to every Club in the County.

They will then have a record of the email being sent so the onus is on the club to respond.
It's called covering your arse, anybody who uses email in work to communicate will always keep keep a copy or add yourself to the dis list. That way you can never be pulled up for the " I was never sent a copy line"