Arguing about former , current and future managers thread

A a few lads where feeling the heat on the other thread, the managerial situation can be discussed here.

No excuses, you know what the thread us about so don't be moaning if you don't like it's contents.

To start off. Jason Ryan is not the man to manage Kildare. He was an easy choice by the Chairman as he was basically the only man interested. The results are terrible, the football naive and we are going no where fast.

Tell me I'm wrong.

So who should have got the job

Kieran McGeeney.

We're a bit similar to Man Utd at the moment I suppose.

Their results are just as bad, if not worse and the players don't look to be good enough to challenge for the league or in Europe.

Strangely Utd fans don't seem to be blaming Fergie for anything though despite him hand picking the new manager and leaving him to inherit a team containing arguably only two quality players in van Persie and Rooney.

Jason Ryan isn't fairing all too differently than the previous manager did during four of his six league runs, the exceptions being a good campaign in 2012 and a great run last year.

Utd under Moyes look like a schoolboy team that have never played together in stark contrast to how they faired with Ferguson over the same group of players.

Future Manager.. Glen Ryan, and I wont comment furter, as People may decide AGAIN to start ripping up His credentials, and credability..
Move on Baba, McGeeney has.

What does the opening post say. You couldn't even bother to read it.
Jason Ryan should be the next one to move on asap if I had my way.

Glen Ryan didn't want anything to do with it. You need to forget that idea.

McGeeney won't ever come back. Personally would like to see county board get their act together, start raising money, putting in place plans and the manager is a small part of this. Wouldn't touch Ryan until this season ends anyway. But he's just a pawn in a rotten game.

Hi lads and lassies, long time reader first time poster. Im getting a bit sick of reading about McGeeney, he's gone get over it. Jason Ryan is in his first year as Kildare manager, he won the O'Byrne cup and probably will be relegated back to division 2. I know ye are saying what is the O'Byrne cup, well its silverware, something that McGeeney was glad to win and we were happy with it. In his first year we were also relegated back to division 2 so give Ryan some time and as a county its time to get behind our manager and move on from the previous one of whom some of ye were happy winning pre season cups. So why is it ok for one manager to win it and get relegated and be a hero and the other one to do the same and is only 3 months in the job considered a villian. So lets move on and back the new man and give him the time he deserves. At the end of the day we are not Dublin and expected to win league finals and leinsters every year

Good idea on this thread Baba, hopefully the subject wont infiltrate other threads.
Can you remember how you felt in June 08 after relegation and defeat to Wicklow. Were you one of those who thought McGeeney was out of his depth and his crude attempt at tactics were totally unsuited to Kildare? Don't forget he tried to turn Earley into a full forward before admitting defeat and putting him back in midfield where he won an All Star the following year.
Personally I was one of those who was prepared to give him a chance to learn his way into the job and he did learn and rewarded those who had faith in him.
Why are you so opposed to giving Ryan a similar chance to prove himself? Surely there is enough evidence in all sports that removing a manager too quickly leads to instability and loss of interest from players and supporters.
McGeeney thought Ryan was good enough to work with him, is that not an indicator of some ability?

Baba you say in your above post we are going nowhere fast. Well under McGeeney we left croke park fairly fast with our tails between our legs after numerous hidings to Dublin and cork, with players been played out of their positions but he is still considered a hero in your boots. He made little out of the supporters who travelled up and down the country who felt it hard in their pockets in hard times with his team selections. There was a time when a match programme was useless as we didn't know what team he was playing, maybe he even confused himself by doing that. Do you not remember leaving matches embarrassed after his decisions, both as a supporter and felling it for the players. He broke players confidence mentally and brain washed them. As i said in my above post new manager and a new beginning, so move on for the good of Kildare football and get behind ryan(please)

Yeah I sat up crying about a €2 euro programmer. I hated him for that. Damn him. Funny Ryan won't name his team until Friday and there have been numerous changes to the team announced.
Numerous hidings you say, what like this year. Worst defence in the Country.
Players being played out of position you say. What like the two Cribbens in the half back line. Moving O Flaherty to half back and we four points behind then taking him off 15 minutes later.
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McGeeney made little of the supporters. Yeah all those quarter finals, semi finals, Div 1 football, being in Hawkfield regularly doing activities with kids, raising that sponsorship money. Damn he really had a downer on the supporters.
As for being embarrassed, the last four weeks have taken me to a whole new level.
Ah he's like some super villain, brainwashing the players. Did he use waterboarding on them to crack their spirits.

Jesus even ballyboy would be cringing at your post it that is your level of argument.

lineball wrote:

Baba you say in your above post we are going nowhere fast. Well under McGeeney we left croke park fairly fast with our tails between our legs after numerous hidings to Dublin and cork, with players been played out of their positions but he is still considered a hero in your boots. He made little out of the supporters who travelled up and down the country who felt it hard in their pockets in hard times with his team selections. There was a time when a match programme was useless as we didn't know what team he was playing, maybe he even confused himself by doing that. Do you not remember leaving matches embarrassed after his decisions, both as a supporter and felling it for the players. He broke players confidence mentally and brain washed them. As i said in my above post new manager and a new beginning, so move on for the good of Kildare football and get behind ryan(please)

Jesus wept.

Yes he broke the players confidence. Peter Kelly, Mick Foley, Johnny Doyle and Dermot Earley all All Stars under him lacked confidence.

Johnny Doyle top championship scorer in 2008 and 2010.

Hugh McGrillen excelled, Emmet Bolton played his best football in a Kildare shirt, Eamon Callaghan was mighty when not injured.

He brought out the best in a lot of players. He can be accused of a lot of things like being tactically naive and maybe too loyal to certain players at times but not giving the players confidence is not one of them. He dragge a lot of them and Kildare GAA up from the canvas in 2008.

He never lost 4 games on the trot either. Nor did I ever hear one of his players say they lacked confidence like Eoghan Flats admitted after the Kerry game at the weekend. He also stated that Kerry wanted it more.

The sword Mcgeeney fell on in terms of results was his record in Leinster (1 final appearance in 6 years is a poor return in my opinion). Dublin only beat us before Leinster finals in 2 of those years, one of which was a complete hiding. We also suffered bad losses to Wicklow, Louth and Meath. There were fantastic runs through the qualifiers but realistically our only major hope of success is a provincial title, even that seems to fade with each passing thrashing against the Dubs.

As for the current manager, he wants to play a style of football that doesn't fit the players that we have. Our full back line is not good enough to play man v man with any decent set of forwards. If you want to play that way you first and foremost must pick 6 actual defenders as your backs. Both Cribbins play on the half forward line for JTB!! Admidtly he is only 4 or 5 months into the job and deserves at least a championship season before he is judged.

I expected us to finish no better than 6th in this years League but the performance of Derry who I actually believe we are better than has scuppered that!!

Im sorry to hear you cried over the programme. Ryan made one change from last Sundays one and as for playing cribbens and flats out of position, if you bothered to buy a programme last Sunday we only had two backs named in the subs so somebody has to play in those positions. Maybe that's why we conceding a lot of scores ad a lot of our backs are missing including an all star. John Doyle was probably one of the best forwards in the country but spent time playing in croke park at mid field and only went forward to take frees while good midfielders warmed the bench as a matter of fact most of our forwards under mcgeeney played most of their game in the half back line. All those quarter and semi finals mean nothing, i don't ever remember any team getting silverware for reaching them, you might as well get knocked out in the first round as the quarter or semi. He made little of the supporters who paid hard earned cash into club Kildare entered golf classics went to race nights by standing with his arms folded in croke park and not making changes when even the guide dogs accompanying the blind people could be heard barking from the stands as he stood by his few pets who he never took off. He was good at fund raising alright all for his own benefit even his water was well promoted around the county. What about the seanie Johnson saga he handed that fairly well causing disruption in the camp and a split in the county. As for the kids he put the under 13 finals out of Newbridge one year, maybe some kids one and only chance to play there, cause he wanted to train there and the kids had to go to hawkfield they were even lucky to get in to hawkfield cause the previous week the geezer had a private security company from the north to keep prying eyes out from the closed sessions. He was the second longest serving manager in the country at the time he was let go and a division 2 title was all we had to show for it. Ryan is in 3 months and has a serious amount of injuries and guys have the pitch forks and ropes out all ready

well it is certainly getting interesting.

from day one jason ryan was person the county broad wanted with people like mcstay oconnor wanting the job , the chairman took easy choice and got ryan to please the players also, but just look back at down, tryone offaly ,dublin louth tyrone games they team never performed in these games in last year. league in 2013 our defence lets in 10 -108 in league alone and we scored 10 - 104. so far this year in league we scored 6 - 76 and against of 8- 87 so far with 2 games to go

lineball wrote:

Im sorry to hear you cried over the programme. Ryan made one change from last Sundays one and as for playing cribbens and flats out of position, if you bothered to buy a programme last Sunday we only had two backs named in the subs so somebody has to play in those positions. Maybe that's why we conceding a lot of scores ad a lot of our backs are missing including an all star. John Doyle was probably one of the best forwards in the country but spent time playing in croke park at mid field and only went forward to take frees while good midfielders warmed the bench as a matter of fact most of our forwards under mcgeeney played most of their game in the half back line. All those quarter and semi finals mean nothing, i don't ever remember any team getting silverware for reaching them, you might as well get knocked out in the first round as the quarter or semi. He made little of the supporters who paid hard earned cash into club Kildare entered golf classics went to race nights by standing with his arms folded in croke park and not making changes when even the guide dogs accompanying the blind people could be heard barking from the stands as he stood by his few pets who he never took off. He was good at fund raising alright all for his own benefit even his water was well promoted around the county. What about the seanie Johnson saga he handed that fairly well causing disruption in the camp and a split in the county. As for the kids he put the under 13 finals out of Newbridge one year, maybe some kids one and only chance to play there, cause he wanted to train there and the kids had to go to hawkfield they were even lucky to get in to hawkfield cause the previous week the geezer had a private security company from the north to keep prying eyes out from the closed sessions. He was the second longest serving manager in the country at the time he was let go and a division 2 title was all we had to show for it. Ryan is in 3 months and has a serious amount of injuries and guys have the pitch forks and ropes out all ready

I suppose I could type out a long winded reply to this above but couldn't be arsed. If this is the calibre of the anti-McGeeneyites then its no wonder Kildare football win s.f.a.

Might as well get beaten in the first round as the semi? FFS listen to yourself. Your post is a complete load of contradictory shite. Jesus I despair.

You might as well get knocked out in the first round as an All Ireland semi-final. I can hear the flapping of white coats. Well let me tell you, the year we reached an All Ireland semi-final, I took more joy from that summer and talked more football and got more excited and had more great days than I've had in a long time. Of course that must count for nothing.

Doyle plays midfield for his club and is a damn good midfielder, granted yes, maybe a better forward, but what great midfielders did we have warming the bench exactly?

He made little of supporters? How, by giving us more good days than we've ever had under anyone bar Micko and due to the qualifiers maybe more? By getting everyone packed into grounds around the country throughout summer dressed in white and feeling proud about where they were from as we won a huge majority of our games?

Fund-raising for his own benefit is probably libelous, but ask the players who fund-raised like no other players in the country? Didn't seem to bother them and they seemed to think it was worth their while as not only did they do it, but they then went out and played harder than at any time in their careers.

Johnston was a shocking call and his in-game management was poor, but my God, you are some character. Don't let the tin foil hat slip from your head!

lineball wrote:

Im sorry to hear you cried over the programme. Ryan made one change from last Sundays one and as for playing cribbens and flats out of position, if you bothered to buy a programme last Sunday we only had two backs named in the subs so somebody has to play in those positions. Maybe that's why we conceding a lot of scores ad a lot of our backs are missing including an all star. John Doyle was probably one of the best forwards in the country but spent time playing in croke park at mid field and only went forward to take frees while good midfielders warmed the bench as a matter of fact most of our forwards under mcgeeney played most of their game in the half back line. All those quarter and semi finals mean nothing, i don't ever remember any team getting silverware for reaching them, you might as well get knocked out in the first round as the quarter or semi. He made little of the supporters who paid hard earned cash into club Kildare entered golf classics went to race nights by standing with his arms folded in croke park and not making changes when even the guide dogs accompanying the blind people could be heard barking from the stands as he stood by his few pets who he never took off. He was good at fund raising alright all for his own benefit even his water was well promoted around the county. What about the seanie Johnson saga he handed that fairly well causing disruption in the camp and a split in the county. As for the kids he put the under 13 finals out of Newbridge one year, maybe some kids one and only chance to play there, cause he wanted to train there and the kids had to go to hawkfield they were even lucky to get in to hawkfield cause the previous week the geezer had a private security company from the north to keep prying eyes out from the closed sessions. He was the second longest serving manager in the country at the time he was let go and a division 2 title was all we had to show for it. Ryan is in 3 months and has a serious amount of injuries and guys have the pitch forks and ropes out all ready

Ah jaysus, really.
I think the phrase "give a person enough rope and they will hang themselves" suits this post. I don't even need to argue any points, it's that bad.

Lads he's gone and not for returning, now build a bridge and get over it. Walter, baba and tommy the three wise men or the three stooges ye are very much in the minority as regards McGeeney and ye should pack your bags and move to Armagh and follow your little schoolboy crush on him cause ye are no good to Kildare football sitting in the stands criticizing the present manager and hoping he fails.

Some sample size alright, three of us with 10 disagreeing. Plus we better change our heartfelt opinions because more people think otherwise. Might give up socialism while I'm at it. Oddball more than lineball.

John Doyle was named on the Sunday game team of the year and very unlucky not to get an AllStar at midfield. I think geezer saw something that no one else saw and developed a box to box type midfielder.
Which we haven't had since and which is a major problem on the current team.

Baba O' Reily wrote:

He was an easy choice by the Chairman as he was basically the only man interested.

Well there wasn't much else the county board could do so was there?

Hire a man that was uninterested?

Go against the clubs and reinstate McGeeney?

Maybe put poll on here the Wednesday or Thursday before matches and all of us experts could pick the team instead?

That's a fair enough point. However the chairman didn't exactly cast a net out to see if he could get a few more names.