Next manager: Suggestions.

shortgrass wrote:

This is interesting? I wonder if these two would be in the market soon?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-football-in-crisis-as-players-revolt-against-management-team-31566805.html

But on a more serious note - I heard that Glenn is in pole position for the job - anybody else heard this?

I know money is an issue, but I wonder if we could get a coach like Donie Buckley on board, who is a good coach..

There's a good reason those two could be in the market - Mayo were tactically naive against Dublin and didn't maximise their potential.

Joint managers for a start is a complete cop out, there can only be one leader.

Think Johne was renowned for his socialising ability rather than his mental ability or atributes. Think it would be an insult to all in sundry to get him on board. Lads like Callaghan, O'Flaherty, Lyons, Cribben etc would teach him far more than he could ever give.

Was told over the weekend that the new manager will be announced at the october meeting if possible or will definitely be in place for county final. 3 man committee headed by Jack Wall will go through the applications for the position. Hear 1 proposal in for the job is a Ronan Quinn headed group of Brian Murphy, Dermot Early and Anthony Rainbow. Also Glenn Ryan has put his own proposal in a application to selection committee. John Evans is also one of the front runners from what I was told....

Interesting stuff ..

It's Evans v Ryan that it take you pick ??i can't see beyond them they way it goning

I'd take the Quinn team from that list. A bold move but high-performance looks very different from when Glenn was playing and Evans, well he didn't get high-performance. You need an environment for near professional athletes to thrive and have their needs met and be satisfied to give their all and be satisfied they are getting their all from themselves due to that environment. Quinn, Murphy and Earley would have a fair idea of what that takes methinks.

This, I assume, is the same Quinn that's been involved with Jason Ryan for the past two years?

flourman wrote:

This, I assume, is the same Quinn that's been involved with Jason Ryan for the past two years?

It's the two mentioned after him that makes me think it'd be different. Plus you never know how much or little say a selector has, manager's can be controlling and the ones that usually fail these days aren't exactly delegators.

Well I wouldn't want any links to a failed regime in the next management team. The last time a former selector took over didn't exactly work out too well - I think a complete clean break is needed.

flourman wrote:

Well I wouldn't want any links to a failed regime in the next management team. The last time a former selector took over didn't exactly work out too well - I think a complete clean break is needed.

You might well be right, just nothing inspiring elsewhere there either. Not blaming CB as resources not there and given where we are it's hardly attractive. Although I'd love if someone produced a bombshell thinking outside the box, as was done with McGeeney.

Out of the 3 options mentioned Glenn would be my choice - I'd also like Doyle and Earley involved, but even then I'd have my doubts.

I would have concerns on the defensive side of that team up, considering Quinn was there with Ryan and the defending is just poor and has been since o rourke was there. Not sure if Murphy's use of a sweeper is going to improve things. Our general defensive play seems hap hazard and micromanaged. One player makes a mistake and it's a goal chance no back up or collective aggression.
For that reason I'd pick Evans.
Not sure what Glenn would bring but if he gets it I'll support him, pity he did'nt do another couple of years at u21, obviously his back up team would be important.
On a side note feeley didn't look miles off it against naas, still has a super leap as well and has filled out a bit since I last saw him play. McCormack from sash looks very promising.

flourman wrote:

Out of the 3 options mentioned Glenn would be my choice - I'd also like Doyle and Earley involved, but even then I'd have my doubts.

Know a few people involved with Murphy's set-up and by extension the ins and outs of player thoughts up and down the ladder. Feeling long before Ryan went at start of summer was it would be the final undoing of McGeeney's move towards high performance and take Kildare back to a smashing-tables-in-the-dressing-room scenario when it's a decade since that style had any impact. Glenn doesn't know high performance and it's what our excellent underage players need year on year to eventually get closer to Dublin.

I find myself in the unusual situation of agreeing completely with Tommy. Personally I dislike the buzz words and management speak but this ultra-professional approach is what's needed. Took Mayo from losing to Longford to five AI semi appearances in a row. Players these days are well-educated and intelligent enough to know this and won't give their absolute all if they smell a bulls**t set-up.

Across the world of sport, this is how organisations turn themselves around. One example is the UK Olympics revolution: http://www.talltree.org.uk/articles/a-blueprint-for-creating-a-culture-of-high-performance.html

Look I wouldn't be sorry to see Glenn get it and I think the old-school approach might be no harm in the short term and we'd be far more fired up and competitive against the big teams.

But if we want long-term success, to completely turn ourselves around, creating a set-up to rival say, one of the rugby provinces is the only way to do that.

Just leaves the question of who can start building that. And how we would pay for it. On the first question I'll admit I don't have a clue (now that Cian O'Neill is unavailable).

On the second, this is where the lack of overall vision and ambition and a really great county board leader is killing us to the point where it almost makes the first question irrelevant.

Lads I have to say I agree with a lot of that what was said but one thing I have to say is this Mayo thing that has happened will have a. Big impact on who we pick .like it or not the players will have to consulted this day and age you can not push a manager on them that they don't want end of story . People say they players should have no say but that day is gone if they players do buy in from the word go your done it turn out to be one big mess

I agree white boy its important you have buy in from players because your finished before you start if you don't.

I'm a big confused as to why people keep saying Glenn is old school. He finished playing with kildare in 2006 hardly that long ago. I'm all for modern training metiods and you need an element of your training to include speed training buti remember johnny giving an interview before and being asked about the fact that he didn't bulk up likee so many Gaa players. He said that his job was to score and thats what he spent most if time time traing to do. He said he spent hours with a bag of balls, left and right foot just shooting. He said he be in the gym and the boys would be slagging him saying hey Doyler do you want my sister to give you a hand lifting thoes weights. He come straight back say ah lads it's a simple enough game it's all about kicking it over the bar. In fairness he was fairly good at that.

A couple of things worry me about this new bit of news if true. Firstly Jack Wall heading up a three man committee. Why is the chairman not leading in this role?
It will be one of the biggest decisions this year and for him to be apparently not involved in the final pick looks very poor.

Secondly, Jack Wall has been around a long time and I would presume he is a little old school when it comes to certain aspects of Inter-county preparation. I would worry we might as has been said revert back to shaking a fist and roaring at the players to do it for the parish type manager. That just won't cut it in the in today's world. The players will smell it straight away and the supporters won't be long in copping on either.

I would agree with flourman and say any links to the previous manger should be dismissed. That management team is tainted with failure and I don't think the gloom would lift if a selector from that group were chosen.

I am a little worried now that the candidates after so long are basically who we thought they would be from the start. I wonder did we ever try and think a little differently as we did for McGeeney.

I'd see no harm thinking outside the box but the problem is we would need to really be creative. McGeeney was very much right place right time so we can't assume that formula would work again.
To be honest there are some amount of bluffers managing teams at all levels and it's very hard to know what they are really like.
It's easy to be critical of players and say they should just play for whoever but they are the ones that get to see a lad in the closest quarters. If he is a shitehawk they will see it straight away and the whole thing ss fecked for another year.
That being said they have to step up and they haven't earned the right to be too picky especially with pre-conceived notions about Glenn's methods, etc.
Ryan was a useful mudguard for the team last year...what we need now is for players to stand up and the manager to make sure if they don't, to be strong enough, to call them out on it.
We really need a man lined up by county final day IMO.

I personally would give it to Glenn from the candidates named above, Evans has failed miserably in championship games while with Roscommon, Quinn was involved with Ryan for the last two years so I don't think he should be considered.

Glenn is the only Kildare man to mange a Kildare team in an All-Ireland final in almost 50 years. If you look at what those players have gone on to achieve at senior level, he defo got more out of them than the sum of their parts.

He did a reasonably good job with Longford, who as we saw last Summer are no world beaters. He is currently in charge of Kilcruise in Laois who having been in the relegation play off last year are in the county semi final next Sunday and are favourites to be the team beaten by Portlaoise in the county final.

His record is decent, he has not really had a hugely high profile job yet to contend for real honours other than the county 21s with whom he won a Leinster and reached an All-Ireland Final.

I for one at this stage in Kildare's progress would like to see Glenn Ryan as manager and i definitely would not begrudge him the opportunity to manage his county . . . . . . . .

micky murphy wrote:

I for one at this stage in Kildare's progress would like to see Glenn Ryan as manager and i definitely would not begrudge him the opportunity to manage his county . . . . . . . .

Hard to disagree with this.

Rex wrote:

micky murphy wrote:

I for one at this stage in Kildare's progress would like to see Glenn Ryan as manager and i definitely would not begrudge him the opportunity to manage his county . . . . . . . .

Hard to disagree with this.

Agreed ...Give the man a chance..I think he would do the Business it wont be for the want of trying

Could never understand the antipathy towards Glen by some people. Was there ever a player so committed to Kildare as he was. Ok you can mention Dermot and JD but they were exceptional players as well.
He did bring what I thought was an average Kildare U21 to an AI final in 08. How many of that team has shone at senior level since? Personally I think the 2013 team was far superior and will provide far more players to the seniors in the coming years and they somehow managed to screw up in the semi final.
If he wants the job he should get it. We all thought Fitzmaurice was a genius last month but cocked up spectacularly in the final. There are no certainties in management and you are always one game away from looking incompetent.

We keep naming one name as if that's the all. That era doesn't exist anymore. It's about a quiet figurehead who surrounds himself with experts, delegates quietly and effectively, seems to be in the background. Horan, McGuinness, Gilroy, Fitzmaurice, Gavin etc. These are the guys that succeed because, while it may seen dull, they are like CEOs of a business who understand high performance and their limitations and the expertise of others. I'm not sure Glenn is that guy and being a hero of a player doesn't make a difference in modern management, if it did then the list above would be McHale, Boyle, Redmond, Moynihan, Canavan etc. Often the star names, inspirational leaders, aren't suited to the quiet delegation role of a modern manager. If anything they lead too well and try to do too much if that makes any sense.