Leinster Championship 2024

FionnMcCool wrote:

What I find funny is people not going to games , some not even in the country coming on here giving it the big one.

Gormless might be weak banter , however it would be weak was it not true.

I said after the O'Byrne Cup defeat to Wexford we'd be relegated. A certain poster scoffed at it. Same poster not even in the country.
I might post controversial posts and the odd insult. But I know my football.
I know Kildare football. I attend games, club and county. Underage and adult.

Unlike some.

Is that why you almost never post about club games ?

lilysavage wrote:

FionnMcCool wrote:

What I find funny is people not going to games , some not even in the country coming on here giving it the big one.

Gormless might be weak banter , however it would be weak was it not true.

I said after the O'Byrne Cup defeat to Wexford we'd be relegated. A certain poster scoffed at it. Same poster not even in the country.
I might post controversial posts and the odd insult. But I know my football.
I know Kildare football. I attend games, club and county. Underage and adult.

Unlike some.

Is that why you almost never post about club games ?

A lot of people don't post about the club scene on here. Possible because it would indicate what club they're from or what part of the county.

I choose not to post about club games for good reason. As would be the same reason for a lot of people on here wouldn't. Kildare GAA is a small world .

FionnMcCool wrote:

lilysavage wrote:

FionnMcCool wrote:

What I find funny is people not going to games , some not even in the country coming on here giving it the big one.

Gormless might be weak banter , however it would be weak was it not true.

I said after the O'Byrne Cup defeat to Wexford we'd be relegated. A certain poster scoffed at it. Same poster not even in the country.
I might post controversial posts and the odd insult. But I know my football.
I know Kildare football. I attend games, club and county. Underage and adult.

Unlike some.

Is that why you almost never post about club games ?

A lot of people don't post about the club scene on here. Possible because it would indicate what club they're from or what part of the county.  

I choose not to post about club games for good reason. As would be the same reason for a lot of people on here wouldn't.  Kildare GAA is a small world .

I wouldn't have you down as the reticent type Fionn . Your specialist subject appears to be the senior county team only. Before, DURING, and after games.

It's probably the most disillusioned with the Kildare Senior Footballers I've ever been. And I can tell you there's been many reasons to be over the years.

I was a big fan of McGeeney. When he was removed in 2013 it seemed as though we'd hit the bottom .
Crofton and Nolan era was also extremely challenging, but we won some games.

This is in actual fact the new bottom. We are the laughing stock of the country at the moment.
Doesn't seem to bother anyone

Bothers me, a lot, our football year over in April, I'm mid 60's and devastated by this disaster, the whole putrid set up is rotten to the core, I might never see Kildare recover to a decent standard again, and I still curse those treacherous clowns that stabbed McGeeney in the back.

Meant to post this sooner, but after their league final one of the Westmeath lads noted that they realised they weren't scoring goals or creating goal chances. That's something they worked on...

We got 2 against Cork but mostly based off Dan's usual off the cuff style and then a second from his running power. They are not tactics that can be relied on. We don't get a sniff of a goal and seem to be no closer to getting one.

Our forward line has no movement or preset runs, etc. When he was flying it was get the ball to Dan and he will do some stuff. Now, it's get the ball to Ben and off he goes.

Players making the same runs off the ball, etc. There is no space being created and it's something that doesn't get enough attention because the defence is being ripped open and we all go crazy over it.

Am I right in thinking that if Westmeath meet and beat Kildare in the Leinster S.F.C. then they would almost guarantee themselves a place in the All Ireland series. On the other hand if they lose its then 'out of their control'.

I'm assuming that Clare will make the Munster S.F.C. final and in doing so will eliminate Down from a league standing perspective, Down being positioned as the number 8 placed team in Division 2.

Gaa1928 wrote:

Am I right in thinking that if Westmeath meet and beat Kildare in the Leinster S.F.C. then they would almost guarantee themselves a place in the All Ireland series.   On the other hand if they lose its then 'out of their control'.

I'm assuming that Clare will make the Munster S.F.C. final and in doing so will eliminate Down from a league standing perspective, Down being positioned as the number 8 placed team in Division 2.

Westmeath are essentially number 16 on the list as it is, because of the Munster draw which'll see a team below them quality.

If we don't get to a final, then basically they just need Down not to beat Armagh although if that happens they'd still drop to 17.

If both us and Down reach provincial finals, then Louth miss out as well as Westmeath.

I think it's ridiculous that at the end of the league some counties don't know what competition they are playing in next. It's because of the continuing pandering to the outdated provincial championship that only Ulster takes seriously. The 16 teams ithat played in the top 2 divisions this year should automatically qualify. It would be an extra incentive for teams to get out of Div 3. Will happen eventually I hope and would make game planning a lot easier for the GAA.

I think to qualify through provincial system, you should have to beat at least one Div1 or 2 team in your province. Sligo last year in Connacht and probably Clare this year wont have done that. Down beat Clare by 11 points and they will be in Tailteann unless they reach Ulster final.
Could have scenario where 3 Div 4 teams Limerick, Tipp, Waterford are on one side of Munster. A Div 4 team in a Sam Maguire last 16 group would be far from ideal.
Either that or go back to seeding the provincials to avoid unworthy teams in Sam.

murof wrote:

I think it's ridiculous that at the end of the league some counties don't know what competition they are playing in next. It's because of the continuing pandering to the outdated provincial championship that only Ulster takes seriously. The 16 teams ithat played in the top 2 divisions this year should automatically qualify. It would be an extra incentive for teams to get out of Div 3. Will happen eventually I hope and would make game planning a lot easier for the GAA.

It's all politics really. The provincial councils become null and void if the provincial championships are done away with . Lots of people getting lots of expenses and mileage would be somewhat redundant . Its no coincidence that Kerry are most successful at football. You could almost guarantee it every year for years that Kerry would come out of Munster .
It's such an unfair system when you think of it .

For example. Cavan/Monaghan have to play 3 games to reach a provincial final. Clare have to play one match . Tipp and Waterford 2 games. Simialr scenario in Connacht.

You'd wonder why counties aren't objecting to the unfairness. And then you remember that ex chairmen and executives of County boards are now Leinster/Ulster Council delegates and won't want to upset the gravy train. Like all things in Ireland .

Individual from the Leinster council says the Leinster championships are alive and kicking, dear god…

Regardless of the configuration of the championships we absolutely deserve to be in the tailteann cup and probably won't win it.

A much better approach would be for Leinster counties to obviously boycott the Leinster championship.

Irrelevant whether it’s Clare, Down or Westmeath, all of them will get pumped by a Dublin, Kerry, Derry.

There should be 3 tiers in the championship like at club level. 12 counties, 12 counties, 10 counties.

There’s a very clear gap between division 1 teams plus Armagh and Donegal and the rest. There is also a massive gap between Down and Waterford, it’s pointless having Waterford, London, New York in the Tailteann Cup. A 3rd tier would also allow Kilkenny to re-enter with genuine championship ambitions.

MickosMen wrote:

Regardless of the configuration of the championships we absolutely deserve to be in the tailteann cup and probably won't win it.

A much better approach would be for Leinster counties to obviously boycott the Leinster championship.

Gets my vote for most farcical competition in world sport. Historically the most successful team by far, who also have a huge population advantage, are also given all the money, resources, refereeing decisions and permanent home advantage. As a result, they're this year going for 14 in a row and 19 out of 20 titles. Who could have foreseen that happening?!!

Leinster Council truly brain-dead, it's mortifying. Imagine being responsible for overseeing a competition like that!

But we have to accept certain amount of the blame because we go along with it... Again, you'd have to question to leadership and guts of our players. Genuinely, if I was in squad, I wouldn't be tolerating it & I suspect a lot of people on here in same boat. Unfortunately, more evidence that we care more than the players (which I increasingly believe).

Heard Ben is gone for Westmeath and the rest of the year. If true, whatever chance we had against Westmeath has just got an awful lot smaller. Watched Westmeath last week and they are a much better structured team than us so Westmeath by 5 plus.

Twentyeight wrote:

Irrelevant whether it’s Clare, Down or Westmeath, all of them will get pumped by a Dublin, Kerry, Derry.

There should be 3 tiers in the championship like at club level. 12 counties, 12 counties, 10 counties.

There’s a very clear gap between division 1 teams plus Armagh and Donegal and the rest. There is also a massive gap between Down and Waterford, it’s pointless having Waterford, London, New York in the Tailteann Cup. A 3rd tier would also allow Kilkenny to re-enter with genuine championship ambitions.

Cringeworthy when you hear pundits saying about certain counties, "These lads are in danger of slipping into Tailteann – they won't want to miss out on All Ireland series". Er, why exactly?! As you say, just so that can get destroyed by top 6 team, or at best have a moral victory. Unfortunately, we fall into that category this year. Would be mortifying to hear our lads talk about competing in All Ireland series... I am deadly serious when I say our performances this spring were Div 4 standard, genuinely that abysmal.

I know he's grasping at straws, but was really surprised to hear Glenn talk about improvements in recent games... Honesty was his hallmark as player but he seems alarmingly delusional as manager. I honestly thought every single one of our league performances was an embarrassing pile of shite!

newornowhere wrote:

Heard Ben is gone for Westmeath and the rest of the year. If true, whatever chance we had against Westmeath has just got an awful lot smaller. Watched Westmeath last week and they are a much better structured team than us so Westmeath by 5 plus.

Yeah, heard the same a few weeks ago.

Have we played any games since the league to prep for championship?

We haven’t played any games since Monaghan last year.

Yeah Ben gone for 3 months.

Kildare98 wrote:

MickosMen wrote:

Regardless of the configuration of the championships we absolutely deserve to be in the tailteann cup and probably won't win it.

A much better approach would be for Leinster counties to obviously boycott the Leinster championship.

Gets my vote for most farcical competition in world sport. Historically the most successful team by far, who also have a huge population advantage, are also given all the money, resources, refereeing decisions and permanent home advantage. As a result, they're this year going for 14 in a row and 19 out of 20 titles. Who could have foreseen that happening?!!

Leinster Council truly brain-dead, it's mortifying. Imagine being responsible for overseeing a competition like that!

But we have to accept certain amount of the blame because we go along with it... Again, you'd have to question to leadership and guts of our players. Genuinely, if I was in squad, I wouldn't be tolerating it & I suspect a lot of people on here in same boat. Unfortunately, more evidence that we care more than the players (which I increasingly believe).

Ah sure Dublin just tell the rest of Leinster to "Get their house in order." As Colm O'Rourke said a few years back, having one team in the capital just doesn't make sense. There was calls to split them well before they were successful.
A once proud and fierce competitive competition destroyed by that Shower. They don't give a fuck, neither do the GAA or leinster council. When they're on 30 leinsters in a row, these stupid clowns will still be praising the leinster championship. Fuck off the lot of them.
There will be empty seats everywhere for the leinster final. Well gone are the days of 60 to 75,000 attendances.

You’d want to - or maybe not want to - read Dean Rock in Irish Times today. Going on about how shit other Leinster counties are & he doesn’t even know how many Leinster medals he has. Fair enough, but he doesn’t go under the hood & acknowledge why he has so many - ie. grotesque favouritism by the Leinster council & GAA.

For me, it remains inevitable Dubs will be split. Everything is so ludicrously stacked in their favour it really is only solution that makes sense.

Kildare98 wrote:

You’d want to - or maybe not want to - read Dean Rock in Irish Times today. Going on about how shit other Leinster counties are & he doesn’t even know how many Leinster medals he has. Fair enough, but he doesn’t go under the hood & acknowledge why he has so many - ie. grotesque favouritism by the Leinster council & GAA.

For me, it remains inevitable Dubs will be split. Everything is so ludicrously stacked in their favour it really is only solution that makes sense.

The longer there is the one Dublin team the quicker the game will be destroyed at intercounty.

They've already destroyed leinster. 9 all irelands in 12 years. It's madness to say they aren't a big problem. Making excuses that it was a golden generation. Fuck sake they've had a few golden ones since 2011 so.

This is elephant in the room shite to think it isn't an issue. Split them and be done with this one team in Dublin nonsense. There's zero logic to it.

I honestly don't think that Kildare and Meath would have fallen into massive decline if it wasn't for the beatings Dublin have dished out in Leinster.

The likes of Mayo aren't traumatised because they're lucky that they're in a different province. That's why they've pushed them all the way a few years back.. At this stage kildare's heroic performance against them in last years leinster semi was a fine achievement. No one saw that brave effort coming from us.

When the financial doping started they had a four stage plan.

1/ Win Leinsters,

2/ Destroy leinster

3/ Win All irelands

4/ Destroy the All Ireland.

1, 2 and 3 is complete. They're going well on stage 4.

Is Kevin o call out for the rest of year I heard is that true amyone hear an