Kildare's Manager 2014

Interesting to see how much support McGeeney has. I'm kind of the fence at the moment but like the cut of Cian O'Neill's jib.

Good Man Dinny..

First choice would be a team of McGeeney, Murphy, O'Neil and Hendy. This would ensure some continuity and some fresh faces who have had recent success. Maybe the same team in charge of the U21's with Lacey in charge of the minors. Not sure how likely that team is but would be interesting to see.

Mc Geeney and a change in backroom the pace of the team has to be looked at and the tackling/defense.

What is the likely timeline here? Will there be a proposal before the next county board meeting and a vote on the night?

murof wrote:

First choice would be a team of McGeeney, Murphy, O'Neil and Hendy. This would ensure some continuity and some fresh faces who have had recent success. Maybe the same team in charge of the U21's with Lacey in charge of the minors. Not sure how likely that team is but would be interesting to see.

If McGeeney was to stay thats looks a decent option Murof but I know that Cian o'Neill wouldnt work with McGeeney. I also dont see Murphy like Hendy and Ryan last year being assertive enough to really stoke things up unlike Grimley and O'Rourke before.

It cant be emphasized enough that if the same management are in place next year we will continue to slide.

Westside wrote:

It cant be emphasized enough that if the same management are in place next year we will continue to slide.

I agree. I'd only be in favour of McGeeney staying if he gets a new coach and fitness trainer. Things have gone stale and we badly need to freshen it up.

Dave mathews has done a great job with Cork worth a look as a S/C Coach

What is the likelihood of Julie Davis been kept if Mcgeeney is? It is very high. The support for Mcgeeney is based on him changing things which he will find difficult which is not his fault he seems very loyal to those around him. However if you consider S&C one of the major failings this year then that is a problem.
I would be more on the no gameplan and if there was one it has been way off for a while now feeding to all the other failings.

can i click on 3 of them:scratch: 

When it's said change the back room team what's really meant is a new S&C coach I presume.

there is no way Cian O Neill would take t kildarejob ,t main reasons 1 ,he has just joined kerry 2 he sees kerry job as probably a 2 to 3 year job ,i also think he would be highly insulted to be asked to work under mr. mcgeeney,if anything mcgeeney would be better off learning from mr o neill.

says who? he wasnt highly insulted to working along side James Horan or Eamon fitzmaurice.
Jasan Ryan had no problem coming on board working with McGeeney what are you insinuating that Mr O Neill has a big ego? and if O Neill is sticking with Kerry then thats that plenty of  good S&C coaches out there I presume.

I want Geezer to stay on but yes, a new backroom team is a must especially S&C but also maybe a new selector.. I dont know what the players thought as Jason Ryan as their trainier and cant comment on that front and I dont know how much of a role he had when it came to the first team.. I do feel a new selector maybe needed but I could not comment on who..

Someone said Brian Murphy but I think he should take over U21's and focus on that..

Looks like a very clear majority here are in favourite of the man staying out with a new backroom team. Hopefully there will be no Ryan/Rainbow brain-farts by the cb

And could somebody please explain why that idiot Moorefield man was interviewed in this weeks Kildare Nationalist?

johnsmyth wrote:

What is the likelihood of Julie Davis been kept if Mcgeeney is? It is very high. The support for Mcgeeney is based on him changing things which he will find difficult which is not his fault he seems very loyal to those around him. However if you consider S&C one of the major failings this year then that is a problem.
I would be more on the no gameplan and if there was one it has been way off for a while now feeding to all the other failings.

100% she will be kept if McGeeney stays even though I have heard rumours that players want a change here. McGeeney badly needs someone who will make decisions and put it up to him, the last few selectors by the sounds of things have been very agreeable fellows which is not what Kildare need.

I couldnt see the CB insisting that McGeeney changes His backroom Team.. I would imagine thats down to Him ??

We definitely need a change in S&C, be it a change in trainer or a change in the methods currently applied. Was watching Alan Smith on sunday and was shocked to see how bulked up and ponderous he has become. Remember him in 09 when he used his pace and skill to score 4-9 in the championship and how he was such a goal threat. He never looks capable of going past his marker now and sadly doesn't really stand out at club level. I think the 3 stars of the 08 U21 team, Smith, O'Flaherty and White have been badly advised on S&C and have never fulfilled the great potential they had. Be terrible to see the young lads from this years U21 heading down the same route but that is very possible.

murof wrote:

We definitely need a change in S&C, be it a change in trainer or a change in the methods currently applied. Was watching Alan Smith on sunday and was shocked to see how bulked up and ponderous he has become. Remember him in 09 when he used his pace and skill to score 4-9 in the championship and how he was such a goal threat. He never looks capable of going past his marker now and sadly doesn't really stand out at club level. I think the 3 stars of the 08 U21 team, Smith, O'Flaherty and White have been badly advised on S&C and have never fulfilled the great potential they had. Be terrible to see the young lads from this years U21 heading down the same route but that is very possible.

Dan Flynn already an example of this. Flying at the start of the year and looked brilliant in the O'Byrne cup final, Donegal and Cork games to a burnt out over trained looking player in the championship.

The consensus seems to be McGeeney + new backroom team. Who do those advocating this option want to see getting involved?

As selectors since 2008 we have had Niall Carew, Paul Grimley and Aidan O'Rourke who have gone on to manage inter county teams and Jason Ryan who is a former inter county manager. There's a lot of expertise there, what difference will these new men make from what has gone in the past? I think it's pretty much a given that there won't be much change to the physical training side of things if McGeeney is kept on.

Cian O'Neill seemingly wants his next position to be as the no1 in a management setup. I've heard it proposed that he should be asked to come on board under McGeeney with a view to taking over in two years time but this is unlikely. Say those two years went badly, we'd all be saying that he was part of that setup for two years and had little impact and then he would be overlooked for the big job. Glenn Ryan and Anthony Rainbow are unlikely to become a selector having been a manager in another county and in the former's case, it appears he wants to take some time away from it. Murphy and Lacey look likely to be retained in the underage structure.

Paddy Brophy is another who looks to have increased in bulk.. We all remember Tommy Moo, and how bulked He became only out of Minor. Even Seanie was looking like a weee Robocop.  

kickingking wrote:

The consensus seems to be McGeeney + new backroom team. Who do those advocating this option want to see getting involved?

As selectors since 2008 we have had Niall Carew, Paul Grimley and Aidan O'Rourke who have gone on to manage inter county teams and Jason Ryan who is a former inter county manager. There's a lot of expertise there, what difference will these new men make from what has gone in the past? I think it's pretty much a given that there won't be much change to the physical training side of things if McGeeney is kept on.

Cian O'Neill seemingly wants his next position to be as the no1 in a management setup. I've heard it proposed that he should be asked to come on board under McGeeney with a view to taking over in two years time but this is unlikely. Say those two years went badly, we'd all be saying that he was part of that setup for two years and had little impact and then he would be overlooked for the big job. Glenn Ryan and Anthony Rainbow are unlikely to become a selector having been a manager in another county and in the former's case, it appears he wants to take some time away from it. Murphy and Lacey look likely to be retained in the underage structure.

Grimley and Aidan O'Rourke were very highly regarded by the players and its possible that if Aidan O'Rourke stayed around another year or 2 we could have won something of note. Don't forget the years he was involved we barely lost to Down in that AI semi final and lost in injury time to Donegal who went on to win the AI the following year. On top of that when he looked after the defense can anyone remember us getting trounced in those couple of years.

Think its a nobrainer to keep McGeeney. The players are always in good shape. They are hungry and there are no standout club players being overlooked. He has constantly freshened up his backroom team so bar kick the ball over the bar himself, |I dont see where he has faltered too much . The quality of player becoming available to him is better than what he had when he took over in general so I think he deserves a chance. Listen to likes of Dermot, Johnny or Roly and they all say it is imperative he stays on.

lilysavage wrote:

Think its a nobrainer to keep McGeeney. The players are always in good shape. They are hungry and there are no standout club players being overlooked. He has constantly freshened up his backroom team so bar kick the ball over the bar himself, |I dont see where he has faltered too much . The quality of player becoming available to him is better than what he had when he took over in general so I think he deserves a chance. Listen to likes of Dermot, Johnny or Roly and they all say it is imperative he stays on.

Really? The players were stuck to the ground during the championship.

What about the pastings against Cork last year and this year against Dublin (twice). In the championship against Dublin they could have got 10 goals!! What did we do to stop this? We went man to man against the quickest team in the country and were left chasing shadows. These were arguably our two biggest games in the last two years and we got completely annihilated. I suppose it doesn't help when the players look wrecked.

Well said Lilysavage