Intermediate Championship Objection

Senior Posts : 254 Join date : 2010-01-31

Just received word that Monasterevin have lodged an objection to the official table and final placing after four rounds of the championship.

There game v Castledermot had the wrong score submitted, resulting in there score difference being calculated incorrectly.

Castledermot have confirmed the correct score, and that Monasterevin should have a 0 Score difference after 4 rounds, level with eadestown.

this would mean, open to correction, that 8th place should be decided bases on scores "for" as they were level on Score Diff, and did not have a fixture against each other.

All-Star Posts : 940 Join date : 2010-08-17

Based on the reported scores I have Monasterevin at -3. The official table out this morning has them at -2. How much is the discrepency from the Castledermot game ? Two or three points.

Just looked at the other teams in the Intermediate and the score difference for Confey, Rathangan & Ballykelly as per the official table doesn't tie up with the reported scores from their games either. scratch

All-Star Posts : 940 Join date : 2010-08-17

Monasterevin "reported" scorelines:

Round 1 : Monasterevin 1-9 Eadestown 1-7
Round 2 : Monasterevin 1-9 Castledermot 0-10
Round 3 : Monasterevin 0-13 Rathangan 3-8
Round 4 : Monasterevin 0-9 Sallins 1-9

Scores for 46. Scores against 49. Difference -3.

Official table says scores for 47. Scores against 49. Difference -2.

Senior Posts : 254 Join date : 2010-01-31

Just what i heard Fear, think the castledermot game was 1-10 to 0-09.

Junior A Posts : 46 Join date : 2010-06-30

There's definitley something up. er McNally & Brendan Coffey have mentioned on twitter that there's something coming in tomorrows Nationalist.

"I think it's fair to say a major s*** storm about to go down - still can't believe it..." - Brendan Coffey

All-Star Posts : 858 Join date : 2011-07-18

Huge shit storm on its way is right. And lets see what the countyboard are really made of now.

Will they do the right thing or will they support one of the very many gobshite referee's in this county?!

Subject: Re: Intermediate Championship Objection Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:31 am

FuturesWhite wrote:: Huge shit storm on its way is right. And lets see what the countyboard are really made of now.

Will they do the right thing or will they support one of the very many gobshite referee's in this county?!

Futurewhite you seem to have it in for everyone in or around the county connected to Kildare GAA...

Think you need to get your issues out in the open cause you seem to be a very frustrated individual...... lol

Subject: Re: Intermediate Championship Objection Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:44 am

clonmullin wrote:: There's definitley something up. er McNally & Brendan Coffey have mentioned on twitter that there's something coming in tomorrows Nationalist.

"I think it's fair to say a major s*** storm about to go down - still can't believe it..." - Brendan Coffey

If this major story is in The Nationlist for tomorrow which is already printed, it has to be in the public domain by now.... Whats the secret lads????

All-Star Posts : 858 Join date : 2011-07-18

The referee in the Round 3 championship match between Monasterevan and Castledermot submitted the wrong scoreline after the game. Seemingly the error was pointed out by Mon'evan immediately afterwards and the tables were ammended, but for some reason they have now been changed back.

By all accounts, Castledermot have sumbitted a report outlining the referee's mistake. BUt lets just sit and watch how this unfolds. No doubt the CB will make an unholy balls of it!

All-Star Posts : 940 Join date : 2010-08-17

realmoore wrote:: Just what i heard Fear, think the castledermot game was 1-10 to 0-09.

If that score is correct it would still leave Monasterevin on -1; unless another one of the scores reported is incorrect as well.

I guess it was bound to happen at some stage though. Published league tables have been consistently incorrect. Clubs send in scores that differ from that which their opponents have reported or from what the ref may have reported. The problem is that despite persistent calls for referees to text in results this has not been made mandatory. Therefore the one person with the official score is not required to submit it to the County Board. Some send them in, more don't and it's a recipe for a disaster.

It appears that this could be the that disaster. Hopefully, the correction of the mistake won't lead to a change in the top 8, as it would be very unfair on Eadestown who are preparing for a quarter final. However, if the correction does lead to a change in the top 8 it would be very unfair on Monasterevin not to be allowed to participate in the quarter final. This has the potential to hold up the Championship indefinitely.

Please God it can be resolved quickly and a lesson can be learned so that we don't end up in this position again.

Subject: Re: Intermediate Championship Objection Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:03 am

FuturesWhite wrote:: The referee in the Round 3 championship match between Monasterevan and Castledermot submitted the wrong scoreline after the game. Seemingly the error was pointed out by Mon'evan immediately afterwards and the tables were ammended, but for some reason they have now been changed back.

By all accounts, Castledermot have sumbitted a report outlining the referee's mistake. BUt lets just sit and watch how this unfolds. No doubt the CB will make an unholy balls of it!

Yes, interesting.... This was a Round 2 fixture played in Athy as far as I can see....

All-Star Posts : 858 Join date : 2011-07-18

Whos gives a shit if it holds up the championship. Why should it continue until it has been investigated and suitably ammended.

Ive had issues with theses referees for a long time now. Some of them think they are immortal and unanswerable to anybody. Its hightime they were pulled into line and forced to comply to a standard.

Subject: Re: Intermediate Championship Objection Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:22 am

FuturesWhite wrote:: Ive had issues with theses referees for a long time now. Some of them think they are immortal and unanswerable to anybody. Its hightime they were pulled into line and forced to comply to a standard.

Obviously you do..... Maybe take up the whistle yourself and start the revolution from the inside!!!!

Intercounty Posts : 469 Join date : 2010-07-05

Will this objection hold up all the quarter final round or just the Kill v Eadestown game?

Senior Posts : 254 Join date : 2010-01-31

The rathangan game score is apparently wrong as well. 3-08 to 0-14.

Intercounty Posts : 359 Join date : 2010-06-22

That is correct realmoore, this would leave score difference equal and with Monasterevin scoring more and winning on the head to head there is no question who should have gone through, unless there were other errors on score reporting.
Kill v Monasterevin

All-Star Posts : 3056 Join date : 2010-01-31

Turing out to be a bit of a farce this. If there are questions over more than one score line, then it's safe to suggest that a big doubt could be thrown over the whole Intermediate championship. Would it be reasonable to say that a team could possibly bring a legal case arguing that all results are in doubt and thus the championship is null and void.

Another thing to think of is, if the results are wrongly reported in this section then what's stopping the results being wrong in the other two levels.

More questions than answers at the moment.

All-Star Posts : 1014 Join date : 2011-08-10

CAn anyone give the correct scores for all monasterevin games please

Intercounty Posts : 354 Join date : 2010-09-27

are the refs in question now subject to disipline themselves. everyone else has being punished let it be for not fielding teams, wrong numbers on jerseys compared to programme, sending offs etc. i dont mean a public flogging or anything but perhaps a spell back doing u10 games for a week or 2 might be a reminder to keep these little facts in games correct. afterall the score is only a small fact in a game NOT Mad

Subject: Re: Intermediate Championship Objection Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:37 pm

This is a real farce and imo would never have happened under paraic ashe's watch, whatever anyone thinks of him. But whatever about blaming referees etc. surely each club involved knows exactly what they're scores were in each game and what they needed to do to make the quarterfinals. How could a club let the quarter final draw go ahead if there was any doubt about score differences without flagging the issue beforehand, and if the issue was flagged beforehand how could the county board proceed without verifying the facts! farcical!

All-Star Posts : 771 Join date : 2010-07-14

Surly Monasterevin knew after round two and three that there was a problem with the score difference and bring it to the county boards attention they will have to take some of the blame as well. Also as lastline said players numbers not matching the numbers on the program I know that my club sent in a new match day players list after round 2 but it still came out in the program the same as the first two rounds.

All-Star Posts : 858 Join date : 2011-07-18

Hold on a minute here ESB. Padraig Ashe threw his toys out of the pram and walked away himself. He took it on his on back to go and arrange that second round of championship games without consulting anybody. When he didnt get the reaction he liked, he walked away. A very foolish move by a man who had craved the chairmans position since his Bord na nOg days.

The word is - and until its verified, we won't know for sure - that Monasterevan cubmitted the correct score as soon as they realised the mistake (sometime just after the Castledermot game). Seemingly the tables we then ammended to show the correct score difference. But then for some reason the tables reverted to the incorrect score after round 3.

Its all well and good for you Big Full Back to be a smart arse and tell me to take up refereeing myself. Im lucky enough to have played a decent standard of football during my own career. I played through some brilliant refereeing and through some utterly dreadful ones. No matter how bad the worst ones were, they would always see fit to enter some dialogue with the players. Some of the current referees in this county think they are above everybody. They think the game is about them and go about making sure they are the ones talked about afterwards.

Dont forget, the referees are THE ONLY ones in Kildare GAA who get paid for their services.
They get paid for every single match they do in league, championship, underage or even challenge games. So they do have an obligation to reach a certain standard. FFS we have some referees who cannot and wil lnot leavve the zone between the two 45's.

Intercounty Posts : 469 Join date : 2010-07-05

So if that is the case then they will qualify instead of Eadestown?

All-Star Posts : 1014 Join date : 2011-08-10

yeah they will go through instead of eadestown but they should of put in their objections before the draw. It will be hard on Eadestown now if things were reversed

All-Star Posts : 858 Join date : 2011-07-18

Hard on Eadestown? Sure if these revelations are true, Eadestown weren't good enough to qualify in the first place.

The last round of INtermediate championship was played Sunday evening. Most probably didnt finish until 7.30ish. The draw was run off at 8pm. Where does that leave time for a club to get an objection together.

I wonder Botch if you were from Monasterevan would you be saying the same thing

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