Kildare V Dublin, Leinster S/Final

fone wrote:

kildare are looking at monaghan style of play they used in league semi final against dublin,  

Lets hope it works, but can we play that style ? , im not sure.

Just a thought, but are our Backs on the small side ? , or am I delusional ?.

Lads the only thing for it is to turn this into a war.

Kick them, punch them, fuck them out over the advertising hoardings - whatever it takes.

Also, if we need to use up time maybe one of us could run onto the field and be restrained by five stewards, like your man from Mayo last year. Are there any lads on the forum who'd had have enough bulk to volunteer?

does any know of any buses heading up to the match?

HauntedGraffiti wrote:

Lads the only thing for it is to turn this into a war.

Kick them, punch them, fuck them out over the advertising hoardings - whatever it takes.

Also, if we need to use up time maybe one of us could run onto the field and be restrained by five stewards, like your man from Mayo last year. Are there any lads on the forum who'd had have enough bulk to volunteer?

They'd only send the tea lady after me

HauntedGraffiti wrote:

Lads the only thing for it is to turn this into a war.

Kick them, punch them, fuck them out over the advertising hoardings - whatever it takes.

Also, if we need to use up time maybe one of us could run onto the field and be restrained by five stewards, like your man from Mayo last year. Are there any lads on the forum who'd had have enough bulk to volunteer?

"Barr says even that was no big deal in the great scheme of things and tells the story of a row with Kildare that spilled down the tunnel years later. He was first into the dressing room and was chewing on a sugared orange when he realised no one else was coming in to join him. So he stuck his head around the door, saw chaos and a Dublin Garda on duty shouting, “Break it up” and swinging at Kildare men repeatedly."

Daenis wrote:

does any know of any buses heading up to the match?

They've already been parked across the 45m line

Crofter wrote:

fone wrote:

bob12 wrote:

How do you know this fone?

was told  this morning and podge and bolton might not  start

Is that tactical or due to injuries, Fone?

I can see the logic in leaving both out as we need our fastest, fittest and most mobile players starting. I'd have left Bolton on the team though due to his experience and ability to read the game and set up attacks. Certainly not to man-mark Flynn though.

tactical doyle conway white was told could half backline on day

fone wrote:

Crofter wrote:

fone wrote:

bob12 wrote:

How do you know this fone?

was told  this morning and podge and bolton might not  start

Is that tactical or due to injuries, Fone?

I can see the logic in leaving both out as we need our fastest, fittest and most mobile players starting. I'd have left Bolton on the team though due to his experience and ability to read the game and set up attacks. Certainly not to man-mark Flynn though.

tactical                  doyle  conway   white  was told could  half backline  on day

It's like a 100-metre line-up. Oh wait...

Bolton lads has lost that yard you need at this level . I la big fan of him but I think there be a good 20 minutes in him when we need . Him

Whatever about the senior game but the minor match on Sunday looks an extremely difficult game to call on paper. In truth neither team has been very impressive thus far and the Croke park factor will definitely suit the Dubs. A leinster title is there though if we have improved on our last few games and can produce it on Sunday.

Lads I see we are all saying going defensive but often when we try to do it we get men back there who don't lay a hand on the man coming through. This effort of standing in a line as a blanket will be fooked when the likes of Connolly, Flynn and Kilkenny run at us. Not to mention their midfield and half forward.
You saw it with Armagh literally in a line on their 45 as Donegal just waited for the deep runner and away he went. If you are to set it up we need to defend a bit deeper but not be afraid to step to them a bit. Like you can move out and pressure the man on the ball if there is congestion behind you.
As I said if we just backtrack for the sake of it they will blast past lads on their heels.
I'm not holding much hope but a respectable showing is ok with me.

I'd snap the hands off the nine-point margin that was between Donegal and Armagh right now.

But you're point is well-made. You have to tackle and be disciplined. The thing is not to let them get goals. Just allow no space for runners, be physical, front up and hold them up.

It is the only way to go. Because if they'll blast past lads not putting that pressure on, they'll blast past lads in space much more easily!

Ogie wrote:

I'd snap the hands off the nine-point margin that was between Donegal and Armagh right now.

But you're point is well-made. You have to tackle and be disciplined.  The thing is not to let them get goals. Just allow no space for runners, be physical, front up and hold them up.

It is the only way to go. Because if they'll blast past lads not putting that pressure on, they'll blast past lads in space much more easily!

+1 When anyone said "park the bus" or play defensively I'm sure it was implied that you go to war on the man with the ball and anyone trying to be the next to receive it - it was never a case of just getting bodies back. Whether we have players who can successfully execute this is another matter of course. But we shall see. It's certainly worth a try.

I think its important that we take as many scores as we can even do what Dublin try and do go for goals early. We kicked 16 wides the last day but we will nearly have to half that to have a little bit of hope in putting the Dubs under pressure. Also if we can stay with them until half time that might put a bit of fear in them. I would love if we give them a game..

Fergal Conway out I'm hearing.

Peter Kelly out.

Alan Smith a doubt with hamstring.

Freddy Krueger wrote:

Fergal Conway out I'm hearing.

Peter Kelly out.

Alan Smith a doubt with hamstring.

Great. Any more good news Freddy.... Dublin have come down with the vomiting bug or something

Remember that time we weren't decimated by injuries. No, neither do I.

Half the players seem to be made of biscuits.

All these injuries would make you have to question the s&c team.

Fuck sake!! what's wrong with Conway? I hate being negative but if we come within 10 of these I'd be surprised.

Did Fergal Conway not have to go off with concussion v Laois ?

May not have passed protcols ?

To be fair now, you can't be selective about these things. Again, I was the biggest Geezer fan in the world (apologist) but there were much worse injury runs in that time. Remember the time when you had five cruciates? I think, without being any expert, that it's to do with the increased workload of a professional athlete on an amateur sportsperson and not getting the professional level of rest, sleep etc, having to go to work and so on. But then McGeeney would say GAA inter-county players don't train as hard as other amateur sportspeople in Ireland, so I don't know. Anyway, it's clearly a delicate balance.

Not sure if the Conway one is concussion - you have Eoin Doyle thankfully. Peter Kelly we knew about and has had chronic injuries since 2010 unfortunately. Smithy would be a massive blow as you know Dublin will be thinking about him. He is a threat in terms of the ball sticking, bringing other players into the game, obviously getting a score - and would keep them some bit honest in terms of committing men forward. A hamstring this close doesn't sound good though.

If Smith is injured would you play N Kelly, Fogarty and Callaghan in the full forward line?

I wouldn't imagine there'll be a three-man full-forward line anyway, whoever the personnel will be.I would actually be shocked. And worried.

Ogie wrote:

To be fair now, you can't be selective about these things. Again, I was the biggest Geezer fan in the world (apologist) but there were much worse injury runs in that time. Remember the time when you had five cruciates? I think, without being any expert, that it's to do with the increased workload of a professional athlete on an amateur sportsperson and not getting the professional level of rest, sleep etc, having to go to work and so on. But then McGeeney would say GAA inter-county players don't train as hard as other amateur sportspeople in Ireland, so I don't know. Anyway, it's clearly a delicate balance.

Not sure if the Conway one is concussion - you have Eoin Doyle thankfully. Peter Kelly we knew about and has had chronic injuries since 2010 unfortunately. Smithy would be a massive blow as you know Dublin will be thinking about him. He is a threat in terms of the ball sticking, bringing other players into the game, obviously getting a score - and would keep them some bit honest in terms of committing men forward. A hamstring this close doesn't sound good though.

McGeeney got heavily criticised for it at the time as did Julie Davis.
The thing is these are not cruciates though. they all seem to be muscle injuries. That's why I would question the S&C as I would have thought it was their job to make sure these types of injuries were kept to an absolute minimum. Yet we've had off the top of my head P. Kelly, N. Kelly and now Smith all with hamstring issues. Too much of a coincidence there for me.

bag of white wrote:

If Smith is injured would you play N Kelly, Fogarty and Callaghan in the full forward line?

No pace, they will get eaten by Dublin's full back line, but what would be the alternative. Smith was key to winning ball and providing space for others. huge loss if he is out.

Broken cheek bone I'm hearing Conway suffered against Laois. Unlikely feature again this year.

Pretty good source so I'd believe it to be true.