Kildare v Tyrone

TK is getting a lot of unnecessary stick over stating a point of view and he is right in that a lack of TCUP costs us that game yesterday. The lineball by Hurley was a mental error and the fact nobody dragged down Mattie Donnelly was also a mental error. These errors get punished at this level. If I was a forward on that Kildare team at the moment I would be very disappointed with our defending. To score 24 points and lose is shocking! Against Mayo we had to score 25 points to get a 1 point win. There will come a day where we don't score that much, will the backs bail out the forwards on those days!

Ballyboy you clearly read what I wrote but sadly didn't take it in, because I made my views on it "just being a league game in March" clear in terms of its importance for several reasons. I even said I believe staying in Division One for the next few years with so much youth is more important to our development than summer results. I also tried to bring some psychology to the debate but clearly you'd rather just skip such opinions based on football and have a pop at a guy who, despite being 8940.72 kilometres away only managed to listen from start to finish on radio and see 10 minutes of highlights within the last 24 hours when they aren't exactly readily available. And you can say I'm only harping on about the last minute, but it was my belief that the point of football was to win and from that aspect that last minute just happened to be the most defining, cost us the game and given the importance of the result in terms of staying up, of course it's what people are going to talk about! But apologies for highlighting what I believe to be abysmal errors regardless of the time of year, and apologies for bringing in an aspect of sport that most people tend to believe is vital given the margins. Maybe you are more old school, we can forget the ending and the result and just beat the legs off a table in Croke Park next week and "go out and tear into them".

TCUP? More like dcup. Cos we made a tit of that game.

IMO the positives from yesterday totally outweigh the negatives. I do agree that if we are to win anything we have to find that killer instinct and the know-how to win a game, whatever the circumstances. If lessons are learned from yesterday then it will be a worthwhile exercise. I think we have shown enough to have every chance of staying up

Came across this last week and thought it was appropriate


THE MAN IN THE ARENA
Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic" delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910

Teddy Roosevelt

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

But sure what did Roosevelt ever win Dinny?

great man for the auld quotes was Teddy

Jesus, I'm glad I wasn't around the county in 1998 - I can only imagine the grief...

Considering those who were around to see it have still not got over it, 1998 was to quote Dickens "it was the best of times. It was the worst of times".

Was in Croke Park that day, have never watched the game since!!

2000 cut a little bit deeper than 1998 for me. As heartbreaking as the final was, there was the consolation of the first Leinster in 42 years.

Galway were there for the taking going into the last few minutes of that semi final in 2000 and a few things just went against us.

Some day, the gods will smile on us. I just hope I'm alive to see it!

Ogie, I was around in 98 and I can assure you while there was huge disappointment there was nothing like the hysteria posted here in the last 24 hours. Some of the comments are akin to Pat Spillane's rant at half time in the
2000 Leinster final, silly stuff indeed. Been out and about today and have to say I didn't come across anything like what's been written here, wonder why that is ??

You're getting very precious in your old age ballyboy. Funnily enough, I heard a lot worse on my travels today than what was said on here.

People paid €15 into that match yesterday, they're entitled to their opinion.

I think my sig sums it all up.

Ah Dinny, love your posts, but you are quoting a man who thought if you weren't a politician you shouldn't interfere. So fair enough, I shouldn't talk about intercounty football having been nowhere near it. But by that logic no one here should be allowed a view on politics, film or music, cause you haven't made it. Sums up an self-protecting opinion from the confirmed racist Teddy was! Just that pathetic argument really angers me, and you're above it. But it's cool, presume you won't watch an ounce of commentary on any channel of Ukraine or a moment of analysis of any sport from a non ex-player. Just presume you stand by the quote, not just when it suits.

ballyboy wrote:

Ogie, I was around in 98 and I can assure you while there was huge disappointment there was nothing like the hysteria posted here in the last 24 hours. Some of the comments are akin to Pat Spillane's rant at half time in the
2000 Leinster final, silly stuff indeed. Been out and about today and have to say I didn't come across anything like what's been written here, wonder why that is ??

You sound like Micko - "I can assure you". Erm, I was around in 98 too, there was no internet forum for a handful of people that care about Kildare GAA more than most, including you no doubt, so you are just making stuff up to suit now. Mere words based on nothing. You even thought me referencing sports psychology was hysteria by sounds of it as well as fact I had to emigrate and only saw some of the game. Time warp here. You also sound like a local councilor.

Only one missing now is Baba

One of the sane ones you mean. Or is the new man immune from criticism.
Nothing wrong with what TommyKeegan has said or any one else who criticised that result on Sunday. To not analyse and criticise a team losing a five point lead in sixty seconds is unnatural and shows a distinct lack of ambition and a will to win.
We were told so often last year that it's a results business. At the moment business is bad.
That could all change, lets hope it does but those last sixty seconds could have ramifications for years to come. Playing Div 2 football could set us back years, we had our survival in our hands and like a few players handling it slipped straight out.
Standards must be set and being happy with that loss and making excuses to beat the band will only lead to one thing, failure.

Your been a little to sensitive Tommy, nothing wrong with spots psychology but where would the words stupid, thick, and the term lack of football intelligence fit into a psychology programme, those are the words you used weren't they ?

As for the mere words comment, in the course of my job I meet meet many football people on a daily basis, I have yet to meet or hear anything that comes even close to some of the shite that's posted on here. The trouble with the more extreme posters on here is they like to think that their's is the common view, I haven't seen it and it's certainly not my view

Ah Stonecold did you have to call him/her out !!

I don't think anyone defended throwing away a 5 pt lead or were happy about it, what i saw was people trying to put some balance and context into the debate rather than ignoring the play for the vast majority of the game. Criticism and review is vital if we as a county are to improve but it must be reasoned and constructive. we all i presume want Kildare to be the best they can whether we're good enough to win national honours time will tell. Sunday was a kick in the guts but if we're good enough we'l stay in Div 1 it won't be based on one result but seven.

we can all be a little sensitive on here but it's only banter and opinions with no ones more important than the next

+1

ballyboy wrote:

Ah Stonecold did you have to call him/her out !!

An obvious reply from someone can't debate a point like an adult, who knows their argument is made of paper and no matter how far they dig they refuse to put the shovel down.

When you want to debate like a grown up let me know and we'll duke it out (Queensbury rules of course) as I said to you before I can take it. Whether you can is questionable. I'm not the only one who is seeing it now.

ballyboy wrote:

in the course of my job I meet meet many football people on a daily basis, I have yet to meet or hear anything that comes even close to some of the shite that's posted on here. The trouble with the more extreme posters on here is they like to think that their's is the common view, I haven't seen it and it's certainly not my view

A comment and a question ballyboy -
You're obviously moving in very polite circles in your job if you heard nothing worse than the comments here.
Would you include your own posts in "the shite that's posted on here"?   

Just asking!

That's my opinion, as far as I'm concerned it'as valid as anyone else's, you don't have to agree of course but you will have to learn to live with it.

Baba, would your Queensbury rules include your usual juvenile name calling ??

ballyboy wrote:

Baba, would your Queensbury rules include your usual juvenile name calling ??

I refer you to the below. When you're ready to debate let me know.

ballyboy wrote:

Ah Stonecold did you have to call him/her out !!